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    • S13 (2)The creditor may not exercise the right under paragraph 4 to recover from the keeper any unpaid parking charges specified in the notice to keeper if, within the period of 28 days beginning with the day after that on which that notice was given, the creditor is given— (a)a statement signed by or on behalf of the vehicle-hire firm to the effect that at the material time the vehicle was hired to a named person under a hire agreement; (b)a copy of the hire agreement; and (c)a copy of a statement of liability signed by the hirer under that hire agreement. As  Arval has complied with the above they cannot be pursued by EC----- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- S14 [1]   the creditor may recover those charges (so far as they remain unpaid) from the hirer. (2)The conditions are that— (a)the creditor has within the relevant period given the hirer a notice in accordance with sub-paragraph (5) (a “notice to hirer”), together with a copy of the documents mentioned in paragraph 13(2) and the notice to keeper; (b)a period of 21 days beginning with the day on which the notice to hirer was given has elapsed;  As ECP did not send copies of the documents to your company and they have given 28 days instead of 21 days they have failed to comply with  the Act so you and your Company are absolved from paying. That is not to say that they won't continue asking to be paid as they do not have the faintest idea how PoFA works. 
    • Euro have got a lot wrong and have failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4.  According to Section 13 after ECP have written to Arval they should then send a NTH to the Hirer  which they have done.This eliminates Arval from any further pursuit by ECP. When they wrote to your company they should have sent copies of everything that they asked Arval for. This is to prove that your company agree what happened on the day of the breach. If ECP then comply with the Act they are allowed to pursue the hirer. If they fail, to comply they cannot make the hirer pay. They can pursue until they are blue in the face but the Hirer is not lawfully required to pay them and if it went to Court ECP would lose. Your company could say who was driving but the only person that can be pursued is the Hirer, there does not appear to be an extension for a driver to be pursued. Even if there was, because ECP have failed miserably to comply with the Act  they still have no chance of winning in Court. Here are the relevant Hire sections from the Act below.
    • Thank-you FTMDave for your feedback. May I take this opportunity to say that after reading numerous threads to which you are a contributor, I have great admiration for you. You really do go above and beyond in your efforts to help other people. The time you put in to help, in particular with witness statements is incredible. I am also impressed by the way in which you will defer to others with more experience should there be a particular point that you are not 100% clear on and return with answers or advice that you have sought. I wish I had the ability to help others as you do. There is another forum expert that I must also thank for his time and patience answering my questions and allowing me to come to a “penny drops” moment on one particular issue. I believe he has helped me immensely to understand and to strengthen my own case. I shall not mention who it is here at the moment just in case he would rather I didn't but I greatly appreciate the time he took working through that issue with me. I spent 20+ years of working in an industry that rules and regulations had to be strictly adhered to, indeed, exams had to be taken in order that one had to become qualified in those rules and regulations in order to carry out the duties of the post. In a way, such things as PoFA 2012 are rules and regulations that are not completely alien to me. It has been very enjoyable for me to learn these regulations and the law surrounding them. I wish I had found this forum years ago. I admit that perhaps I had been too keen to express my opinions given that I am still in the learning process. After a suitable period in this industry I became Qualified to teach the rules and regulations and I always said to those I taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question. If opinions, theories and observations are put forward, discussion can take place and as long as the result is that the student is able to clearly see where they went wrong and got to that moment where the penny drops then that is a valuable learning experience. No matter how experienced one is, there is always something to learn and if I did not know the answer to a question, I would say, I don't know the answer to that question but I will go and find out what the answer is. In any posts I have made, I have stated, “unless I am wrong” or “as far as I can see” awaiting a response telling me what I got wrong, if it was wrong. If I am wrong I am only too happy to admit it and take it as a valuable learning experience. I take the point that perhaps I should not post on other peoples threads and I shall refrain from doing so going forward. 🤐 As alluded to, circumstances can change, FTMDave made the following point that it had been boasted that no Caggers, over two years, who had sent a PPC the wrong registration snotty letter, had even been taken to court, let alone lost a court hearing .... but now they have. I too used the word "seemed" because it is true, we haven't had all the details. After perusing this forum I believe certain advice changed here after the Beavis case, I could be wrong but that is what I seem to remember reading. Could it be that after winning the above case in question, a claimant could refer back to this case and claim that a defendant had not made use of the appeal process, therefore allowing the claimant to win? Again, in this instance only, I do not know what is to be gained by not making an appeal or concealing the identity of the driver, especially if it is later admitted that the defendant was the driver and was the one to input the incorrect VRN in error. So far no one has educated me as to the reason why. But, of course, when making an appeal, it should be worded carefully so that an error in the appeal process cannot be referred back to. I thought long and hard about whether or not to post here but I wanted to bring up this point for discussion. Yes, I admit I have limited knowledge, but does that mean I should have kept silent? After I posted that I moved away from this forum slightly to find other avenues to increase my knowledge. I bought a law book and am now following certain lawyers on Youtube in the hope of arming myself with enough ammunition to use in my own case. In one video titled “7 Reasons You Will LOSE Your Court Case (and how to avoid them)” by Black Belt Barrister I believe he makes my point by saying the following, and I quote: “If you ignore the complaint in the first instance and it does eventually end up in court then it's going to look bad that you didn't co-operate in the first place. The court is not going to look kindly on you simply ignoring the company and not, let's say, availing yourself of any kind of appeal opportunities, particularly if we are talking about parking charge notices and things like that.” This point makes me think that, it is not such a bizarre judgement in the end. Only in the case of having proof of payment and inputting an incorrect VRN .... could it be worthwhile making a carefully worded appeal in the first instance? .... If the appeal fails, depending on the reason, surely this could only help if it went to court? As always, any feedback gratefully received.
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247 Moneybox . Paid money they didn’t claim it said I didn’t pay HELP!!!!


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Back in 2015 (10th of October) I took out a loan with 247 Moneybox for the amount of £80 with the repayment date of the 24th of November.

 

I am not sure on which date I made the payment but I went onto my online account and paid the full amount to pay off the loan, the payment was being ,made on time.

 

I then received confirmation to say that my loan had been paid but I don’t have a copy of this anymore as it was so long ago.

 

I then took out another loan with them on 17th February 2016 (please bear in mind it clearly states on their site you can only have one loan at once due to responsible lending) of the same amount £80 and on the 24th of March my repayment date I paid the balance of £88 which closed the account.

 

It was only until a bit later I logged into the account to see that it said I still owed them £103 and that my balance was outstanding.

 

I phoned them and they told me that my loan from October had not been paid and I was obviously confused by this and tried to do some digging because I know I went online to make the payment

 

I phoned my bank and they told me that they never claimed the payment in the 7 day window they had. I never realised that the money went back into my account as I don’t watch for things like that and it wouldn’t have shown as anything on my statement it would have just gone back on my available balance.

 

I phoned them back and tried to argue this with them and said it wasn’t my issue that they hadn’t claimed the money and that I now didn’t have the funds to pay for it

 

feeling very hard done by considering I tried to pay this off on time in full and due to them not collecting the money I was now in a worse financial situation. I was also arguing with them about the fact that they had let me get out another loan in 2016, 4 months after the one I had supposedly not paid was taken out.

 

You are unable to even apply for a loan if you have an outstanding balance so how does this work? They were having none of what I was saying and I ended up out of frustration and being fed up agreeing to a payment plan of £10 a month with the balance reduced to £80.

 

No money ever came out of my account and I never realised this until later down the line and I know its probably bad of me but I sort of forgot about it and they never tried to contact me.

 

I have only recently just thought about it so decided to log back into my account which still says I owe £103 and my account is in default. Somehow they also have my new address which makes me worry.

 

The most confusing thing about all of this is that on my credit report this loan Is down as being settled on the 22nd of January 2016 and does not have any mention of my account being in arrears or overdue.

 

I don’t know what to do.

I don’t want to contact them again and then prompt them to chase me for the money or complain that they never should have given me a second loan if my first one was outstanding.

 

Some advice would be very much appreciated.

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Check your bank statements, or simply send them the prove it letter from the library on this site.

 

You also need to stop trusting them. They are not a professional business. Theyre a payday lender and none of them are reputable.

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there is no proof of the payment on my bank statement as when you make a card payment it is held in a pending place and if the merchant doesn't claim the money it returns to your account like the payment has never been made if that makes sense! So technically I didn't pay that loan but I didn't know I hadn't paid it as I made the payment with my bank card online got the email I had paid and just went about my life.

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My point is check the statements of the time you made payment. If it isnt showing, then payment wasnt taken. If it does, then panic over.

 

If you didnt pay it, then make arrangements with the lender to repay it at a rate you can afford.

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Thanks for the reply. I have checked all statements. I did try to set up an arrangement over the phone but they never started taking the money out.

 

Am I not able to squash this somehow considering it’s impossible to lend from them if you have an outstanding loan and they gave me another loan and I repaid it and it wasn’t until after that they said I hadn’t paid the first one.

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Why would you want to lend from them again. Youre falling into their trap. Dont. Pay it off and be done with it.

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I don’t want to lend with them again, my point is I took out a second loan with them 4 months after I had ‘paid’ off the original loan only to be told after I had paid off the second one that I still owed money for the first one. They shouldn’t have given me a second loan if I had ‘failed’ to pay the first one surely ?

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Probablynot but if the system thought the payment had gone through then they would have. You can try the irresponsible lending track, but i doubt it will get you very far..

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did you have other loans and a crap credit file at the time?

like full of defaults?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Irl claim then too every lender

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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