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  1. #41

    Default Re: VCS ANPR PCN Claimform - St Marys Gate retails park. Sheffield

    no to Mediationicon
    1 wit you
    rest is obv

    3 copies 1 to court
    1 to sols [minus email/sig/phone]
    1 for your file

    read other threads get upto speed upon what is next
    the more you read the stronger we become
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    Default Re: VCS ANPR PCN Claimform - St Marys Gate retails park. Sheffield

    Thank you. Ive done the necessary as advised. Have received the same form filled by claimant. They ve requested Mediationicon but we obviously have have not.


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    Default Re: VCS ANPR PCN Claimform - St Marys Gate retails park. Sheffield

    they are trying to get you to agree to pay them SOMETHING, they wont care how much now as long as it gets them out of paying out more money on a hopeless cause.


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    Default Re: VCS ANPR PCN Claimform - St Marys Gate retails park. Sheffield

    Thanks Ericsbro.
    I was wondering about the response from DVLA. Do i have grounds to complain to the commissioner for the info they provided? I found the response a bit silly..that they could still give info of the keeper without POFA... the letter didn't elaborate on the reasons but I've read the circumstances under which they can..still doesn't explain why they gave the info 6 weeks later.


  5. #45

    Default Re: VCS ANPR PCN Claimform - St Marys Gate retails park. Sheffield

    The DVLA waffle because they dotn have a quality control system in place that is worth anything. All you need is WHO and WHEN


    Complain to the ICOicon later, get this sorted first as defeating their claim will add weight to the claim that your data was accessed unlawfully adn the DVLA are complicit in this etc.

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    Default Re: VCS ANPR PCN Claimform - St Marys Gate retails park. Sheffield

    Update: Court date received for Jan.


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    OK, you will need to be ready to exchange evidence bundles a fortnight before the hearing. Chances are they wont send their in time unless you send yours to them early so they can copy your homework.

    Send yourS to them on the last day possible ( earlier to court by a couple of days is fine) and if you have had emails from them in the past block their email addy as they will send stuff at midnight and then tell lies about when it was sent.

    If they send any stuff late keep it separate and complain to the judge and ask for it to be considered inadmissible.

    Also they try on stuff in the court waiting room if it does go to the wire, read up on this and upon rights of audience.

    Ask us before the time if you are unclear on the sort of stuff you should use but anything you can throw at it.

    The Parking pranksters blog and websites are invaluable goldmines of case law and previous and so persuasive cases. Copy the reports ( screen dump will do) you wnat to use.

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    Default Re: VCS ANPR PCN Claimform - St Marys Gate retails park. Sheffield

    Bundle of evidence has arrived. Ill uploadicon it.


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    just type no need to hit reply with quote - makes the thread twice as long to scroll through..
    13 quotes removed.

    scan it all up to ONE multipage PDFicon please
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    Default Re: VCS ANPR PCN Claimform - St Marys Gate retails park. Sheffield

    Got it.
    Interestingly the contract they've evidenced- the ppc has with landowner or leaseholder or whosoever behalf they are running the parking services is out of date quite a few years. fixed term 36 month from 2011..


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    That should kill their pig if brought up in court.

    The bailiff: A 12th Century solution re-branded as Enforcement Agents for the 21st Century to seize and sell debtors goods as before Oh so Dickensian!
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    This is really difficult and i hope I've done it correctly!

    Besides the witness statement and contract.(Uploaded)
    A map of signage/single camera locations.
    Pictures of all signages and locations.

    Ive already uploaded the one at entrance and lack of in the disabled bay area.
    Copy of NTK and final reminder and pictures of the car.
    And a reference copy of the claim formicon that i submitted earlier.

    Unfortunately the contract also states that unless terminated the agreement will be extended on expiration date and will continue to roll over each year unless the client terminates it.

    As it stands CPR was sent and received no reply pertaining to it
    I've checked the councils planning permission web page and there is no mention of either the ppc or its clients name for signage permission.

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    Default Re: VCS ANPR PCN Claimform - St Marys Gate retails park. Sheffield

    but no proof of payment since

    the planning permission grant will not be 60mins I can assure you.

    the cases they refer to are mere twaddle that all the PPC troll out trying to confuse matters in the judges eyes
    its your job to render each one null and void in this case.

    WHO has signed that witness statement please
    and we will need to see the exhibits too as that is ALL they can rely upon.

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    Default Re: VCS ANPR PCN Claimform - St Marys Gate retails park. Sheffield

    Proof of payment? for the court proceedings? They were supposed to pay by 18/12.

    Signed by VCS litigation department paralegal. Uploaded witness statement previously now exhibit uploaded

    VCS claims reasonable cause to request data from DVLA and the VCS usually send out PCN within 14 days of contravention (DVLA confirms enquiry date as 45 days after contravention)

    They are relying on "law of agency" and not POFA.

    Excel PS ltd v Nick jenning to establish that KEEPER is liable as keeper authorised usage

    Citing Thornton v Shoe lane parking for contractual obligation

    Vine v Waltham forest for proper display

    parking eyeicon v Beavis to establish that indeed the the contract was established

    VCS claims entitlement to erect signs as per freeholder consent (but doesn’t mention name on signage)
    and cite above that they are justified to charge whatever they do

    And citing Chaplair ltd v kumasi that they are entitled to debt recovery.

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    First things first then.

    they have no locus standi ( their contract out of date so no rights in the matter). Other cases have determined that they need to prove it has been renewed, not rely on the wording for a roll over. It may be that the landowner told them to bugger off years ago and by not including that letter they paint a very different story. Contract by inertia isnt a contract.
    they cant claim agency to get your keeper details or to sue you ( whoever was driving wasnt your servant unless they can prove you emloy a chauffeur)

    Authorising usage is different and not applicable to this point and anyways Jennings admitted being the driver so it really isnt a story, let alone a precedent or even persuasive. All they are showing is they won a badly defended case.

    the picures of the signage they have used are illegible so get your own piccies.

    lack of PP menas they are relying on criminality to form a contract and you cant enter into a binding criminal compact. You need to read the parking prankster blog and find a link to an article on this.

    get on to the court today and see if they have paid the allocation fee, if they havent send an email asking that the claim be stayed for the non payment of the fee. The courts do this automatically after a certain amount of time but always give a certain amount of leeway, usually a week or so but it can be a lot longer depending on their caseload.

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    Default Re: VCS ANPR PCN Claimform - St Marys Gate retails park. Sheffield

    I called the county courticon they confirmed payment.
    Lack of PP?


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    planning permission.
    I wouldnt lead wi5th thsi argument, it is poorly understood by judges but use it as a secondary or tertiary point. It is usual to make the point about your main argument and then say " in any case" and them mention the lack of planning, no adherence to the POFA etc


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    Default Re: VCS ANPR PCN Claimform - St Marys Gate retails park. Sheffield

    Thank you. I have a number of questions pertaining to the answers above and some more with regards to what I'm reading up upon. Ill put them up as soon as i can coherently fashion them.
    The hearing is on 15/01. Thats means the evidence must reach both court n claimant by 31/12?. Keeping in view royal mail holidays Ill have to post this bundle by 27 or 28 Dec for it to reach by 29/12? Am i correct or can I post with proof of postage on saturday 29/12.


  20. #60

    Default Re: VCS ANPR PCN Claimform - St Marys Gate retails park. Sheffield

    post on 29/12 is OK, 2 days for service, not your fault courts closed.


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