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    We are about to buy a 4x4 Shogun and have put down a deposit. The car has brand new tyres all round on the drive wheels.

    As an after thought I inquired about the condition of the spare tyre. It has 4mm of tread so legal however the tread is different to the tread of the new tyres. On a 4x4 it is important that the treads on the same axle are identical otherwise you could damage the diff.

    Can I reject the tyre as not being fit for purpose to use on the 4x4? We like the car as it is immaculate otherwise and is being sold by a reputable dealership and we were thinking of a 50/50 arrangement for a new tyre to be fitted.


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    I am not sure where you get the information that the tyres on the same axle should be 'identical'.
    They should certainly be of the same rating and similar tread, but identical would be difficult to achieve.

    You have a brand new tyre of the same make etc as the drive tyres, and you drive 10,000 miles and suffer a puncture.
    When you fit the spare it will not be 'identical' due to the wear over the 10,000 miles.

    It is true that a 4 wheel drive can suffer 'wind-up' if the tyres are not sufficiently similar but this is extreme,
    you are just as likely so experience it if all your driving is urban where the number of rounabouts means that there is a higher proportion of right turns so that the left wheels are going further than the right wheels!

    What you should do is treat the spare the same as you would a space saver on a non 4x4,
    reduce speeed and length of time used before having the drive tyre repaired.

    I suppose it would depend upon how much the dealer wishes to sell you the vehicle as to whether he would agree to such an arrangement.

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    Default Re: Buying s/h car? - now found faults!!

    Thanks.
    On the Jeep Grand Cherokee which was permanent AWD it was a big No No as told to me by the Jeep dealership and also information off Jeep forums.

    I assumed the same would apply to the Shogun?
    If dealer does want a 50/50 arrangement I will get it done myself for peace of mind as we tow a caravan and that may not be good if there is a difference in the wear and the tread of the spare tyre.

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    Default Re: Buying s/h car? - now found faults!!

    All I can say is my Subaru which has perm 4WD has a space saver wheel, so I can only assume it's not a universal no no to use a different wheel/tread configuration at least not for the short time to fix the original.


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    Default Re: Buying s/h car? - now found faults!!

    My landy has normal road tyres so I dont see it as an issue but yes, if you have 4 knobbly off roading tryes and a normal tyre as a spare it does rather devalue the purchase so try negotiating a discount bearing this in mind and then replace it at your leisure. 50 off or whatever half of a new tyre costs seems reasonable as you are thinking but by changing it yourself rather than making them do it makes it easier for them to say yes


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    Default Re: Buying s/h car? - now found faults!!

    The dealer was aware that we use the vehicle on the continent and in France I am told it is illegal to have tyres of different brands and treads on the same axle.


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    Surfer, the following is a translation of the French Highway code in relation to tyres:-

    Legal obligations

    Since 1995, the Highway Code imposes the following rules:

    It is forbidden to ride on motor vehicles and their trailers:

    * tires of different structures, excluding any temporary spare tire;
    * different types of tires on the same axle, whether single-wheeled or dual-wheeled;
    * Tires with a load capacity index or a speed category symbol lower than the maximum capacities provided by the vehicle manufacturer.

    When the Highway Code prohibits mounting tires of different structures on the same axle, it means that the tires must be both:

    * same brand
    * same dimension
    * same category of use (eg road, snow, all terrain)
    * same structure: radial or diagonal
    * same speed code
    * same load capacity index

    The Highway Code also states that:

    * "The 1.6 mm wear indicator indicates the minimum legal gum height."
    * "The difference between the depth of the main grooves of two tires mounted on the same axle must not exceed 5 mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gick View Post
    Surfer, the following is a translation of the French Highway code in relation to tyres:-

    Legal obligations

    Since 1995, the Highway Code imposes the following rules:

    It is forbidden to ride on motor vehicles and their trailers:

    * tires of different structures, excluding any temporary spare tire;
    * different types of tires on the same axle, whether single-wheeled or dual-wheeled;
    * Tires with a load capacity index or a speed category symbol lower than the maximum capacities provided by the vehicle manufacturer.

    When the Highway Code prohibits mounting tires of different structures on the same axle, it means that the tires must be both:

    * same brand
    * same dimension
    * same category of use (eg road, snow, all terrain)
    * same structure: radial or diagonal
    * same speed code
    * same load capacity index

    The Highway Code also states that:

    * "The 1.6 mm wear indicator indicates the minimum legal gum height."
    * "The difference between the depth of the main grooves of two tires mounted on the same axle must not exceed 5 mm.

    Okay so I am correct that I cannot have different brands and tread on the same axle?



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