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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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Good evening all,

 

I've done a bit of research trying to close accounts which led me to requesting CCA's to Cabot. I sent two for two different accounts which they took off Halifax (1 x CC & 1 x Current Acc Overdraft). I posted the following to them:

 

Dear Sir/Madam

 

Account No:

 

With reference to the above agreement, I require you to supply the following documentation before I will correspond with you further on this matter.

 

1. You must supply me with a true copy of the alleged agreement you refer to. This is my right under your obligation to supply a copy of the agreement, under the legislation contained within s.78 (1) Consumer Credit Act 1974.

 

2. A full statement of account.

 

3. A signed true copy of the deed of assignment of the above referenced agreement that you allege exists.

 

4. A copy of any other documents referred to in the agreement.

I understand that under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 (sections 77-79)

 

, I am entitled to receive a copy of any credit agreement and a statement of account when I request it. I enclose a payment of £1 which is the fee payable under the Consumer Credit Act 1974.

 

I understand a copy of any credit agreement along with a statement of account should be supplied within 12 working days.

 

I understand that, under the Consumer Credit Act 1974, creditors are unable to enforce an agreement if they fail to comply with the request for a copy of the agreement and statement of account.

 

A speedy response would be appreciated to resolve the matter amicably.

 

I look forward to hearing from you soon.

 

Yours faithfully

 

THE LETTERS WERE RECEIVED ON 17TH/18TH JULY AND TODAY I RECEIVED THE FOLLOWING LETTERS:

 

Thank you for your CCA request etc etc...

We currently do not have this information on file.

 

However I have requested the relevant details, which include a copy of the credit agreement, statement of account and relevant terms and conditions from the original lender.

 

You have requested a copy of the Deed of Assignment.

 

Please be advised that the DOA is a confidential document between Cabot and the original lender.

It does not contain any personal details relating to you or your account and is not available for disclosure.

 

We sent you a Notice of Assignment for your account to your address, which is sufficient to confirm our ownership of this account.

Only the courts can request this... Blah blah blah.

 

A couple of things here... I asked for a true copy, they are referring to simply a copy. If they do obtain a copy, is this enforceable?

 

Also is it acceptable what they are saying about disclosing the DOA to me?

 

I don't ever recall being sent a Notice of Assignment, if I did, is this sufficient to confirm ownership and enforceable?

 

I have been currently paying towards what they are claiming, on a monthly basis via DMP. The next payment is due in a couple of days.

 

Should I continue paying or is it advisable to stop until they wholly action my request?

 

Thanks in advance and any help/advice/feedback is much appreciated! I'm looking to get a mortgage by the end of the year so I can get my son into the school I/he wants.

 

Many thanks.

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didn't get that CCa request from here did you..

looks like FMoTl twaddle too.

 

was this for the card or the OD [which CCA doesn't apply as theres no agreement to sign]

 

if on the card they've failed the 12+2 working days time limit stop paying

 

for the OD i'd stop paying anyway

 

what other debts are you blindly paying thru this DMP , which I hope is a free one not by a fee paying bunch of fleecers.

 

if you've got defaults on your credit file

then a mortgage is out the windows till they vanish on their 6th birthday along with the whole account never to return..but that doesn't mean the debt is wiped.

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Thanks for your response. No I got the template from this website... [removed - please read our rules}

 

I got the same letter for both CC and OD,

although one letter (OD) says thank you for continued payments

whereas the other one (CC) says I don't currently have a plan with them, which I do through DMP!

 

 

The DMP is through Payplan. The 12+2 days is up on the 6th August.

I got the letter signed for which was received on Weds 18th.

 

I'm paying for others too, one of which I have sent another CCA request to Link Financial (bought from Co-op).

 

I do have defaults but I'm led to believe there are mortgage lenders who accept people on DMP, or IVA etc.

 

Cheers

 

To add to this - I have also had a settlement offer from them on the OD (45% of the balance) in June 2017 and another one (60% of the balance) July 2018 for the same OD.

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if you are getting discount letters then pers id stop paying that debt

 

cca is 12 working days then

 

not sure where you got the bit about dmp/iva from

another load of ole twaddle.

 

99% of highstreet lenders will not touch you with defaults.

back street brokers might but you'll get ripped off om the rate.

 

list your debts and who get paid through pp

how long have you blindly been paying all the dcas via payplan?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • 4 months later...

Evening all,

 

I sent a complaint letter to Halifax (despite the debt already been sold on to Marlin Europe/Cabot).

They said part of my complaint was outside the 6 years therefore disregarded that part however, the other part does go on to say...

 

"I will arrange to waive a portion of the debt equal to the charges you paid on the current account (overdraft debt) since Sept 2016.

Those charges total £861.

I understand the debt has been sold to Cabot Finance so we will buy back this portion of the debt to effectively write it off.

This offer is made without any admission of liability"

 

The debt is about £3,300 but interestingly, back in June 2017 they offered me a settlement figure of £1,852.

I have since requested from Cabot a CCA agreement which they have not got.

I also requested Halifax my SAR, which returned very very little info.

 

Any help on the following question would be so helpful:

 

- Should the £861 be paid directly to myself as opposed to buying back a portion of the debt.

 

- They say "to effectively write of the debt" - does this mean £861 of the £3,300 debt is written of, or does it mean they sold the debt to Cabot for less than £861 so they have bought it back for what they paid and written the whole lot off?

 

- With Cabot seemingly having no leg to stand on, if the debt is still owed (and not written of as mentioned in the last question), should I make a very small F&F settlement offer?

 

- What should my next step be?

 

Many thanks in advance

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ive merged your new thread with the existing one

as it make more sense

 

you cant CCA an overdraft !!

 

it would be better if you scan up the letter please to PDF

read upload.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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you are not complaining 3 yrs after you realised

you only realised very recently that you could make an IRL complaint.

 

so complain that it is unfair as you didn't realise

and they cant invoke the 6yrs rule on the OD nor the credit card.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Would you have a document that says that they can't invoke the 6 year rule on an OD or CC?

 

I'm replying to the letter shortly, in your opinion, should I respond with the approach that I didn't know I could make a complaint or that the 6yr rule can't be invoked?

 

Many thanks again for your help.

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the 3yrs rule, that invokes the 6yrs clearly states 'when you become aware'

 

look at the FOS website PPI case examples

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Evening all,

 

I've been sifting through my Experian credit report and on there I've noticed that a Halifax account owing £2500 was defaulted in Jan 2014 and marked as settled in Feb 2017 (nothing was paid or agreed to close the account).

 

I have also noticed another account which is open with Cabot with a default date of Jan 2014 with the balance of £2500 (this is the same account as the Halifax one above).  Does this mean that Halifax closed the account and is no longer enforceable?

 

I does it simply mean they sold the debt on and is still enforceable?

 

I have had contact from Cabot but they failed to provide a CCA so i'm not paying a bean anyway,but just curious as to what status the account is at.

 

Many thanks

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Hi,

 

It means that Cabot have purchased the Account from Halifax, Halifax is correctly showing zero balance.

Cabot is correctly showing the amount and the same date as the original Halifax account of January 2014.

 

As you have CCA'd Cabot, this means it is either a Credit Card or Loan, have you reclaimed all charges and checked for PPI as the deadline is coming close so you have to act fast.

SAR to the original creditor (Halifax), SAR template in the Library section.

 

You should have been made aware by letter that Cabot had purchased the debt from Halifax.

 

Since your last contact with Cabot, have you moved addresses, if so update Cabot so this stops any backdoor CCJ's.

 

No CCA, No pay, When did you take the original debt out as a 2014 date Cabot can reconstitute an agreement.

 

Take Care

 

Stigman

 

NEVER telephone a DCA

If a DCA rings you, refuse to go through the security questions & hang up!

 

If I have helped you, click on the star & say thank you

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old and new threads merged for the third time.

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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