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Petty joint theft in Primark - approximately £135


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Hello,

as embarrassing as this is too say,

 

I’m in the same position as you.

 

 

the police weren’t contacted and I didn’t sign anything/take photos that said I consent to my details being shared to the police etc and I wasn’t told they’d get involved.

 

I wanted to know if you’ve gotten an invite from them yet?

 

Also I think I’m gonna pay my fine cause I don’t want the hassle of receiving the letters and having a family member see them;

 

 

have you received lots of letters?

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Hi Girlz

 

I can understand why you have asked here but it would be better if you start your own thread to get advice.

 

You are going to pay what fine and from who?

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The fee comes from RLP specifically and that’s what the original person said they weren’t going to pay;

 

I just wanted to know on this thread what ignoring the letters are like and if they got an invitation from the police.

 

I may start my own later though,

 

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it is NOT A FINE!!!

 

please start your OWN thread

 

click this link...start a new thread

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

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and will be moved to your thread and answered when you start it..

 

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Before anyone starts,

I know what I done was wrong and I’m fortunate to have not had the police called on me at the time.

 

My friend and I colluded together to steal approximately £135 worth of goods from primark (I know, why primark

 

the situation was dealt with quickly after we were caught and we were advised to pay the cost RLP state in the letter we will receive in 3 weeks.

 

We intend to do so,

as we want the situation to go away and don’t want to the run the risk of family members seeing these letters.

 

I have several questions;

 

1. Can anyone in a similar situation give me an estimated amour RLP will state?

 

2. Will this cost be split between my friend and I or will it be individually?

 

. Will the police be contacted, and will I receive and invite of sorts to go to the station?

 

4. Is there anyway we can negotiate a reduction in the costs from RLP?

 

5. For anyone who chose to ignore the letters and NOT tell their family, was it stressful?

 

Like I said,

this was a stupid choice on both our parts and I will never repeat it again

- by paying for this fee,

I could’ve have literally bought all what I tried to steal.

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Before anyone starts,

I know what I done was wrong and I’m fortunate to have not had the police called on me at the time.

 

My friend and I colluded together to steal approximately £135 worth of goods from primark (I know, why primark)

 

the situation was dealt with quickly after we were caught and we were advised to pay the cost RLP state in the letter we will receive in 3 weeks.

 

We intend to do so,

as we want the situation to go away and don’t want to the run the risk of family members seeing these letters.

 

I have several questions;

 

1. Can anyone in a similar situation give me an estimated amour RLP will state? ignore

2. Will this cost be split between my friend and I or will it be individually? ignore

 

. Will the police be contacted, and will I receive and invite of sorts to go to the station? NOPE

 

4. Is there anyway we can negotiate a reduction in the costs from RLP? ignore

 

5. For anyone who chose to ignore the letters and NOT tell their family, was it stressful? nope

 

Like I said,

this was a stupid choice on both our parts and I will never repeat it again

- by paying for this fee,

I could’ve have literally bought all what I tried to steal.

 

 

as above

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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just read a few threads here where I've moved your thread too

 

you'll soon get the idea

 

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?236-Retail-loss-Prevention-Other-shoplifting-allegations.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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My friend and I colluded together to steal approximately £135 worth of goods from primark (I know, why primark)

 

No. Its Why steal. Not why primark.

 

regardless, ignore RLP. Even the police association said for RLP to stop saying they are part of what they do.

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Hi

You are damn lucky the police were not involved. I would have done so nevertheless, you must stop stealing as the next time you may not be so lucky and screw your future with a criminal record.

 

 

Just for clarity, are you over 18.

 

 

I understand that RLP use a franking machine to pre pay the postage and this also contains the name of the company so when the letter arrives and someone else picks it up, you may have some explaining to do. RLP are like dogs with bones. Ignoring them will result in more letters so this is what I would do.

 

 

Tell your family unless you are in a broken home or where violence is possible. By doing this, you and your family can come here and see just what RLP can do to you. Nothing! As the store got the goods back, there will be no costs for goods stolen but a bill for some figure between £150-200 split equally between the two of you. RLP pass on a percentage of the money they get so the claim that each case costs between £300-500 is laughably wrong as the store only gets between 40 & 60% with RLP getting the rest.

 

 

It is CAGs policy that we do not condone crime and each case should be dealt with by the police. Also, we don't like RLP as their mantra is to deter shoplifting however, they rely on shoplifting to pay their wages which is wrong.

 

 

Your choice whether to pay or not but I would discourage it as they can do nothing. I would get the family involved so that the shame you must have can be shared around.

 

 

As for the thread title, did you write that? Petty?

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You must have cleared out their stock room as well to get items costing that much!!

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as it isnt a fine why do you think that paying the amount demanded will settle the matter? Waht will you do if you pay them say £140 and then a week later they send another demand for £95 or even £295, will you pay that as well? The entire point of what we say is that YOU OWE NOTHING TO ANYONE, you cant pay a debt that doesnt exist so they arent obliged to stop pestering you just because you paid them once. The more people realise that RLP arent telling the truth about their operations the quicker the stores hiring them will seek to actually do somehting about theft to reduce it by other means. Yes, you feel guilty and that is good but it also allows RLP to play on those feelings. Think about all of what has been said and then speak to someone if you feel that your family wont be understanding.

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No. Its Why steal. Not why primark.

 

regardless, ignore RLP. Even the police association said for RLP to stop saying they are part of what they do.

 

Agreed, I meant that not why as in why there and I’m gonna try elsewhere ever again after this incident. It was stupid of me.

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You must have cleared out their stock room as well to get items costing that much!!

 

To be honest no, we just picked up the more expensive items and honestly got carried away cause we thought we were getting away with it.

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Yes I’m over 18 and wrote the title cause it was petty as in stupid and reckless of us. My aim to pay is to not tell my family and not have a letter accidentally opened; I honestly have not intention of doing that as these are my actions alone to deal with therefore whatever consequences there are, I’ll deal with it. Thanks for the informative reply though and I will ask RLP what happens after we pay (if we do cause you never know we may not in the end)

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I can tell you exactly what will happen if you pay. Nothing. The same as if you don't pay. There is nothing RLP can do to you or your friend apart from sending you letters. Along with everybody here, we say just ignore them. Only Primark can take action against you but they don't. It's not worth their while. They got the stuff back. End of!

 

 

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I will ask RLP what happens after we pay (if we do cause you never know we may not in the end)

 

 

They'll rub their hands with glee and mark you down as a mug and will bribe you for money every month.

 

 

DON'T PAY THEM a single penny, and certainly don't waste your time ringing them, then again, if you were dumb enough to steal, you're probably dumb enough to pay them.

Who ever heard of someone getting a job at the Jobcentre? The unemployed are sent there as penance for their sins, not to help them find work!

 

 

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