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    Default Re: Reported for having a wee

    Quote Originally Posted by renegadeimp View Post
    Trying to help out doesnt excuse himself from potentially breaking the law.
    I dont know how true this is but i have been informed there is no law against urinating however there is for public indecency, being in a secluded place out of public view and on private property would not constitute public indecency, only advised of this so dont know how true it is,
    was also advised by my boss that you by law can urinate against your back left wheel, however i would then be closer to the building, in clear view of the public and in the middle of the car park,


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    Default Re: Reported for having a wee

    Quote Originally Posted by moggy491 View Post
    I dont know how true this is but i have been informed there is no law against urinating however there is for public indecency, being in a secluded place out of public view and on private property would not constitute public indecency, only advised of this so dont know how true it is,
    was also advised by my boss that you by law can urinate against your back left wheel, however i would then be closer to the building, in clear view of the public and in the middle of the car park,

    I don't know if this is true but I can see that your boss is a reasonable person

    I don't think you should worry too much about the whole incident

    I guess it is what is called Life


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    Urinating on left back tyre!!!
    Oh my!!!!

    It is legal for a man to urinate in public, as long it is against the rear offside wheel of his motor vehicle and his right hand is on the vehicle.

    Although this is widely reported as fact, this is actually not true.


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    Default Re: Reported for having a wee

    I just worry that the directors getting wind would force his hand, as Iíve since heard itís cost us a £750000 a year contract 🤢


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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtbush View Post
    Urinating on left back tyre!!!
    Oh my!!!!

    It is legal for a man to urinate in public, as long it is against the rear offside wheel of his motor vehicle and his right hand is on the vehicle.

    Although this is widely reported as fact, this is actually not true.
    Yep in all fairness itís very absurd but if my boss believes this then who am I to convince him otherwise,


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    Quote Originally Posted by moggy491 View Post
    I dont know how true this is but i have been informed there is no law against urinating however there is for public indecency, being in a secluded place out of public view and on private property would not constitute public indecency, only advised of this so dont know how true it is,
    was also advised by my boss that you by law can urinate against your back left wheel, however i would then be closer to the building, in clear view of the public and in the middle of the car park,
    Public indecencyĒ generally refers to acts involving nudity or sexual activity in view of the*public

    The owner of the land, being a nember of the public, saw you do this. Therefore public indecency.

    Drunk people pee in public, and are often nicked for it.

    How about someone comes along and pees on your house doorstep. Are you going to be happy?
    Probably a breach of company policy.
    It is a criminal offence.
    Very likely put a high value company contract at risk.
    Id expect a disciplinary and maybe gross misconduct.

    No matter how many excuses you make, this is NOT acceptable.
    If you were having these problems, you should not have gone to work unless you had the facility to pee with you. Like a pee bottle etc like you get in the hospitals. They make travel ones you can get in a docs surgery.

    Even if a doc signs you off with weak bladder, it does not give you carte Blanche to **** all over someones land.

    Its a pub, maybe families with kids go there. If i owned it, i would be getting a cleaning company in to remove the risk of disease and send you/the company the bill.

    If i was you, i would get over yourself and stop making excuses. Live with the consequences. I do hope you keep your job but i wouldnt hold my breath.

    And remember, we are not here to please you, we are here to offer OUR 2 pennies worth. If you dont like those 2 pennies, ignore it.


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    Default Re: Reported for having a wee

    Quote Originally Posted by moggy491 View Post
    was also advised by my boss that you by law can urinate against your back left wheel, ,
    A popular myth but entirely untrue!

    The Law Commission, no less, published a list in 2013 of peculiar laws that people believed existed, but mostly didn't. They said this about urinating in public

    It is legal for a pregnant woman to relieve herself anywhere she likes, including in a policeman’s helmet.

    No. There is no generally applicable offence of urinating in public, although it is often an offence under local byelaws. Local authorities are expected to exercise discretion in deciding whether to prosecute, based on, for example, the nature of the locality and the availability of public toilets nearby. There does not appear to be a specific exemption for pregnant women, but discretion not to charge might be exercised if a pregnant woman were caught short in public. However, it does seem unlikely that a police officer would offer his helmet for the purpose.

    It is legal for a man to urinate in public, as long it is against the rear offside wheel of his motor vehicle and his right hand is on the vehicle.

    No. See above on urinating in public. It has been suggested that the Town Police Clauses Act 1847 contains a provision along these lines for the benefit of taxi drivers, but this is not so

    You can read the full list here if you feel in need of some light relief....

    http://www.lawcom.gov.uk/app/uploads...l_Oddities.PDF


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    Quote Originally Posted by GrumpyToSayTheLeast View Post
    Public indecencyĒ generally refers to acts involving nudity or sexual activity in view of the*public

    The owner of the land, being a nember of the public, saw you do this. Therefore public indecency.

    Drunk people pee in public, and are often nicked for it.

    How about someone comes along and pees on your house doorstep. Are you going to be happy?
    Probably a breach of company policy.
    It is a criminal offence.
    Very likely put a high value company contract at risk.
    Id expect a disciplinary and maybe gross misconduct.

    No matter how many excuses you make, this is NOT acceptable.
    If you were having these problems, you should not have gone to work unless you had the facility to pee with you. Like a pee bottle etc like you get in the hospitals. They make travel ones you can get in a docs surgery.

    Even if a doc signs you off with weak bladder, it does not give you carte Blanche to **** all over someones land.

    Its a pub, maybe families with kids go there. If i owned it, i would be getting a cleaning company in to remove the risk of disease and send you/the company the bill.

    If i was you, i would get over yourself and stop making excuses. Live with the consequences. I do hope you keep your job but i wouldnt hold my breath.

    And remember, we are not here to please you, we are here to offer OUR 2 pennies worth. If you dont like those 2 pennies, ignore it.
    The owner of the land DIDNT see me do it, She heard me say I needed to go and waited for me to go before shouting out, where I was I was out of sight from anybody.
    You talk about these Pee bottles but where do you not have to still have to get your penis out to use this and where do you do this,


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    Nobody has to see you.
    It is behaviour that would likely cause distress.

    I think its section 5 public order offence


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    Quote Originally Posted by moggy491 View Post
    The owner of the land DIDNT see me do it, She heard me say I needed to go and waited for me to go before shouting out, where I was I was out of sight from anybody.
    You talk about these Pee bottles but where do you not have to still have to get your penis out to use this and where do you do this,
    Against your vehicle, discretely and they are designed to hide your todger.
    Sat on your seat in the cab.
    In the back of the lorry in a discreet corner if no food stock etc on board.
    You could have peed in the bottle in the car park. Its the fact you splashed your urine on her private property that has likely irked her.


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    It is food stock so in the vehicle is not happening,
    I totally understand that sheís (forgive the pun) passed at me going in the car park however at that precise moment it was the most sensible place to go,
    Iím actually quite annoyed that she had heard me saying I was desperate to go yet instead of offering to open the door to let me use the loos before making delivery she waited for me to go in her car park, and whilst yes she doesnít have too open the door it still shows what a horrible cow she is, Iíve been delivering to her now for a year and always found her to be a nasty piece of work and so have every other driver that goes, even our rep says sheís a ****


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    Doesn't matter what her personality is. That has zero bearing on this issue.

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    Default Re: Reported for having a wee

    Quote Originally Posted by moggy491 View Post
    It is food stock so in the vehicle is not happening,
    I totally understand that she’s (forgive the pun) passed at me going in the car park however at that precise moment it was the most sensible place to go,
    I’m actually quite annoyed that she had heard me saying I was desperate to go yet instead of offering to open the door to let me use the loos before making delivery she waited for me to go in her car park, and whilst yes she doesn’t have too open the door it still shows what a horrible cow she is, I’ve been delivering to her now for a year and always found her to be a nasty piece of work and so have every other driver that goes, even our rep says she’s a ****

    I'm sorry but I see things differently

    The only thing that you did wrong was coming back early from sick leave

    And that tells me you are a good person willing to assist

    I really pray it goes well with you

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    Quote Originally Posted by moggy491 View Post
    first of all as quoted in my op i apologised twice whilst explaining the situation to the customer, and whilst taking a whole load of verbal personal abuse, To be fair your response Emmzzi is no help whatsoever and only judgemental and patronising. So therefore would request that you get off you're high horse and keep ones personal opinions to ones self. other than that please do have a nice day.
    Iím seeing it the way an employer with an irate customer sees it.

    If you want platitudes and sympathy then an employment law board may not be the right place.

    The best course of action with your employer imo is to stop making excuses which arenít backed up by medical evidence and get apologising.

    Or you can wheel out a load of excuses and see how far it gets you.

    Your choice.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Emmzzi View Post
    Donít fight lost causes and apologise where appropriate. But first OP has to get past making excuses for himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by moggy491 View Post
    first of all as quoted in my op i apologised twice whilst explaining the situation to the customer, and whilst taking a whole load of verbal personal abuse, To be fair your response Emmzzi is no help whatsoever and only judgemental and patronising. So therefore would request that you get off you're high horse and keep ones personal opinions to ones self.
    Emmzzi has vast experience in HR, and has helped loads of people.
    Thing is, she tells people what they need to hear, not always how they want to hear it or what they want to hear.
    Up to you if you want to disregard her advice, but if you canít accept that you asked for advice & she gave it put a disclaimer on your posts along the lines of *fluffy advice only, sought*

    Quote Originally Posted by moggy491 View Post
    other than that please do have a nice day.
    An early candidate for passive aggressive response of the month, then.

    As for your back pain causing you bladder problems and expecting a note from your doctor: what level has your back pain been diagnosed as arising from?
    Your doctor will know from which spinal level if it is one that affects the function of the bladder, through which plexus, and with what effect on bladder function.
    Do you have thoraco-lumbar pain? Sciatica? And from which level?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Emmzzi View Post
    I’m seeing it the way an employer with an irate customer sees it.

    If you want platitudes and sympathy then an employment law board may not be the right place.

    The best course of action with your employer imo is to stop making excuses which aren’t backed up by medical evidence and get apologising.

    Or you can wheel out a load of excuses and see how far it gets you.

    Your choice.
    I think I’ve done enough apologising and won’t be doing anymore.
    With regards to my “Excuses” to be fair I believe that I had no other option and if was in the same situation again would still find the most secluded place and do it again as would most people. I do accept all your points that it’s lawfully not the right thing to do which is exactly what I was wanting to know and that has now been answered.
    So thank you all for your input and il just hope nothing else comes of it

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    Default Re: Reported for having a wee

    There is one more thing. Are employers able to go straight to a final written warning without any previous warnings whatsoever,


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    You could be dismissed instantly for gross misconduct if enough evidence.
    Also your boss might have to be seen to do something to protect a £750000 contract as you put it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by sgtbush View Post
    You could be dismissed instantly for gross misconduct if enough evidence.
    Also your boss might have to be seen to do something to protect a £750000 contract as you put it.
    Sorry didnít explain that itís not related to the urinating itís regarding a driver having 3 accidents 2 which were his fault and damaged other vehicles 1 that wasnít his fault


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    3 accidents, 2 fault, one non fault.
    Still could be dismissed instantly under gross misconduct.
    It would depend on the timescale.
    3 accidents in say 30 years. Acceptable.

    3 accidents in say 1 year.. Unacceptable.
    Person is a liability.
    Employers do not have to employ liabilities.


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