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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
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I guess it is same old story, had a lot of credit cards due to expenses from old job, always paid them off until things went wrong with work.

 

Long story short, had about 6 cards and several other debts, debt was between £50k and £80k, interest was frozen, it is just I lost most of the paperwork when I was homeless. I do have PDFlink3.gif's in cloud of bank statements.

 

I foolishly serviced the cards for years, until finally accepted I could not afford to service them, Then even more foolishly I kept the debts alive for even more years by making token payments.

 

Then things got even worse,I was homeless for some time and then got injured and am disabled now, that pushed me over the edge mentally with major depression. If you look at the causes of major depression I had all of them in a fairly short period of time, but the main thing is quality of life. I am quite prosaic about it now.

 

So really these guys do not faze me, some of my creditors got CCJ's for all the good that did them, a couple went the HCEO route and they too got nothing. I did not engage and had nothing they could take from outside.

 

I saw online that debt goes off statute, by that time I had disengaged, the debts were passed to so many debt collectorslink3.gif I lost track, but all the usual names you see on this forum.

 

Now as the debts approach getting barred the cycle of letters including the threat of legal action, CCJ etc. At least two have had this threat before, but they then went back to the "get in contact" and "here is a discount" letters. I figured contacting them just resets the debt so I have never engaged.

 

None of letters are coming to my current address, I think someone did check on me at an old address, so that kicked off the letters again a few years ago, the people there keep them for me.

 

I was wondering what the benchmark is for them to take legal action?

 

I am pretty invisible to them, I do not work or have any assets, no bills are in my name, I am not on voters roll, I can't even afford broadband or TV Licence so they won't find me there either.

 

To be honest I do not really care, they would be wasting their money, but I guess for them it is a way to keep the debt alive for another 6 yearslink3.gif.

 

Still, it would be nice if I could get the consumer debt disposed of. Then the CCJ's will go and I might do a DRO for the HCEO debt if I last that long.

 

As far as I remember my last payments to most of the consumer debt was 2012/2013 but I do not want anything to change on the credit reference databases as it shows activity, so I will probably wait until the existing CCJ's expire before I tell the debt collectors to stop pursuing. One of the CCJ's was obtained without my knowledge but I decided it was easier to just let it ride out the 6 years.

 

My strategy was not to engage at all because the only way out was bankruptcylink3.gif and I do not have money for that. It is also aided my mental health strategy, not engaging or being visible for 6 years, I did not have mental energy to deal with anything never mind these jokers.

 

I have not done any credit checks or noddle because these all show activity.

 

So really I was just wondering what are the probabilities of them wasting their time with legal action for consumer debt?

 

I say wasting time as I am on disability and barely get enough to heat and eat, I do not know if they would be able to get some sort of attachment to income, but as this paltry amount is what the state says I NEED to live on, taking any of it would risk making me homeless. I do not drink, take drugs or smoke.

 

I know the debt collectors and legal firm are the same crowd, so they probably figure they pay the salaries anyway, but surely each debt will have to be taken individually and a Court fee paid if they go further?

 

So far my case is just up for "initial consideration" for legal action, I had one of these over a year ago, it came to nothing. I guess they may be tempted by big number on the debt but doesn't that make the Court fee higher?

 

At the end of the day when you have nothing it is a kind of strength, even without court fee and legal expenses it would take over 4000 years to pay off by my calculations.

 

Thanks in advance for your input.

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You send everyone a cca request from your present address

Running and hiding died 15yrs ago

Get on voters etc etc

There is no reason at all to ever hide

 

That 1000% worse than than letting them all know where you are

 

99% of your debts will be unenforceable even to ccj's and the stupid HCEO one

 

And dont forget to start an irresponsible lending complaint on every pdl company

Youll be £100's in pocket

 

List you debts

What they were who the OC was

And whonowns it now

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DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

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If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi dx100uk

 

Thanks for your reply but that is simply inconceivable for me, before I hit major depression debt used to give me major anxiety, now I am more likely to just not care about consequences and if one of their debt collectors turned up, I would probably attack them.

 

I have other debts that will not expire for another 2 or 3 years, so not going to do anything that pings me on radar. One was an energy company dispute where I was overcharged due to faulty meter but I was referring to ombudsman just as I became homeless. I do not have mental energy to fight that, it is easier to just let it go off statute.

 

Sure I can see that others suggest that debt collectors do not have original paperwork or maybe they do, seems too risky to check.

 

Not going to vote and voters roll is merely an advert for where I am, the only way to have data protection is not to give your data.

 

There is reason to hide, it is called anxiety, anyway, it works for me.

 

No point doing a subject access request because I know I just stopped paying the token payments and have never engaged with them since. I will do a check on my old bank statements which are in the cloud. I seem to remember writing them all a letter saying I was not going to be able to make any more payments, I sent it to all of them on the same day.

 

Right now I am probably a few months to a year away from wiping around £50k off statute. The ping could remind the CCJ's and they could escalate to HCEO's, that is hassle I just do not need, besides for them I would hunt them down if they came here and tried to kick door in again.

 

You are right that they were irresponsible to lend to me, I remember one company where the people actually lending me £15k already had a £12k card with me under their own brand. I guess they felt because I paid it all off time and time again when I used for expenses I was good for it. To be honest I probably was, but that was before I fell of the proverbial ladder. One thing they did in those days was not cancel old card when I tarted balance to 0%, that does seem irresponsible and when times got bad it was just sitting there waiting to be spent on rent and living expenses.

 

I don't think there is any point complaining though, it is like PPI, if I ever had it I gather it would be offset against bad debt and may even count as a payment or acknowledgement.

 

I am not going to list the individual debts on a public forum, I do not have the exact balances, but they are mostly over £10k each and the usual names.

 

The debt collectors include names quoted in this thread, at first there seemed to be 2 with one company and 2 with another, but the debt got switched and sold so many times that only one company writes to me now, albeit for several of the cards.

 

Really I just wanted to know what their benchmark is for taking CCJ action before they expire?

 

As I said, I do not really care, I have so little money coming in so there is nothing they can do to me that others have not tried.

 

I do not know if Courts can do attachment to benefits, but can't imagine they would ask me to pay more than a pound a month, so over 500 years to pay off, but I would not give the satisfaction.

 

It did bring a smile to my face to see others have messed with the debt collectors once it has gone off Statute. If they do go legal I will let them spend as much as possible including court fees but then go bankrupt if I can find someone to lend me the money.

 

My health is continuing to deteriorate and it would be nice to leave things tidy, I have no assets or money, I think my overdraft will be called in over the next year and I will start trying to put a bit by to cover emergency unplanned expenses.

 

When I read the other people's threads of legal action being taken I think they must be giving some indicators for debt collectors to decide it is worthwhile. I know when my overdraft was reduced that set off a ping on the credit database and kicked off the current batch of letters.

 

Or is it a numbers game? The amount? The original debtor?

 

It is bizarre that they send the same cycle of letters for different debts so I can almost predict which one is next, but as the off statute date approaches, I have to wonder, what is their benchmark?

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They will go for ccj using old addresses

 

Doesn't matter if they are sb'd either that will not stop them...

If you dont want to take our advice thats your problem

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thank you for your understanding.

That is how I got one of the existing CCJ's, it went to an old address,

I found out by pure chance about 2 years later.

 

I got speaking to the person at my old address and they said they wrote to the Court to advise I was not there (they were worried about bailiffs).

 

If it does not matter whether they are sb'd then what is the point of having sb'd process?

 

It is not that I do not want to take your advice it is that I can't, just thinking about it and the potential impact is too much.

 

It is a coping mechanism.

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The potential impact is what you have found...backdoor CCJ's

Far far worse......

 

750'000 claimforms are issued ever year

85% are granted by default because they are not defended.

No human checks anything.

 

If a debt with a ccj was sb'd upon issuance of the claimform it can normally be set aside FOC.

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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