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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    then we don't need to see other templates either please
    respect their copyright

    ideally the two pocs need to only be typed out in a msg box here

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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    Hello again Guys,

    RThe Acknowledgement went in early.

    The CPR 31.14 expired several days ago and asked for their contract with the land owner, planning consents for signage and copies of the NTK & any other correspondence from them to me.
    They have not replied.

    The Claim was dated 21 May, so I think my defence needs to be in the 23rd June.
    What do I need to do now?


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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    21st is 1 in the count
    by 4pm 22nd

    use the std defence in about every claimformicon thread in this forum
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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    I've read your booklet "Received Court Papers from a Private Parking Company (PPC) Speculative Invoice??
    How to deal with it here".
    Is that the standard defence you referred to?
    It's very good.
    I have some questions, though:

    I have asked for planning consents for signage and they have not responded.
    Can I now claim that the court should assume that no such consent exists and that the PPC cannot now show evidence to the contrary since it has been denied to the defendant, despite a CPR request?

    Can I similarly claim that no contract exists between them and the land owner for the same reason?

    Can I claim that I never received a NTD/K showing evidence that I overstayed since that was also requested in the CPR?
    Does this mean that they can not now show the photographic evidence to the court?


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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    Yes use the 3 line defence here already

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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    Quote Originally Posted by dx100uk View Post
    Yes use the 3 line defence here already
    Iím sorry, dx, but I donít understand your answer. 🙂


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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    Unless you are doing it whilst not logged in
    Youve not viewed one orher private parking claimformicon thread..

    CAGicon is selfhelp too

    Use the search CAGicon box of the top red toolbar

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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    Who did you ask about planning consent?

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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    Thanks for the clarification. Iíll search for that thread.

    In the CPR request I asked the PCC for copies of any planning consents relating to the signage.


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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    Right, first off, you don't want the PPC (or anyone else) to actually respond to your CPR 31.14... Think about it


    Also, you need to ask the council planning department (for the area where the parking occurred) what planning permission has been applied for and granted. Ask under planning regs and the advertising consent regs. The council will tell you the truth, a PPC will tell you that black is white

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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    Now go back and read post 11 CAREFULLY again

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    Right, first off, you don't want the PPC (or anyone else) to actually respond to your CPR 31.14... Think about it
    Thanks, DragonFly1967. I will contact the Sheffield Planning Dept tomorrow morning. Great advice.

    Yes, I realise that my interests are best served if the PCC doesnít respond to the CPR 31.14.

    What I was asking (see a couple of posts above) is whether I can claim that documents
    (such as planning consents, contract with land owner and photographic evidence that I exceeded the parking time limit) donít exist because, if they did, the PCC should have produced them.

    They cannot now produce them as part of their case.

    What do you think?

    How can I best exploit the fact that they ignoredicon a court procedure?

    Quote Originally Posted by dx100uk View Post
    Now go back and read post 11 CAREFULLY again
    Yes, thanks dx.
    Point taken.
    Iíll get onto it.

    I was just hoping that the process could be sidestepped if the planning consent was now inadmissible in court and the PCC werenít allowed to defend a claim that they had no planning permission anyway.


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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    As politely as i can say it
    And ofcourse for the later people that read your thread

    everyone follows the well oiled and tried and tested method used here to defeat almost every claim we get - do what we tell you when we tell you...
    Each time you come to your thread re-read it from post 1

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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    Quote Originally Posted by dx100uk View Post
    everyone follows the well oiled and tried and tested method used here to defeat almost every claim we get - do what we tell you when we tell you...
    Dx
    I don’t mean to be rude and I am genuinely very grateful to you and everyone else who has offered me advice, but my problem is this:

    I don’t fully understand what the tried and tested method is,

    when I ask you a question you often answer with a riddle.
    A symptom of my autism is that I like things to be black & white.

    I’m going to ask the same question for a third time.

    Please just give a straight forward answer.
    Why have I been advised to submit a CPR 31:14icon if everyone predicted that VCS would ignoreicon it?

    And how can their failure to respond be used to my advantage?

    Is there any merit in any of the benefits I suggested above?

    Thank you for your patience explaining this to me.

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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    Quote Originally Posted by Joh7n View Post
    I don’t mean to be rude and I am genuinely very grateful to you and everyone else who has offered me advice, but my problem is this:

    I don’t fully understand what the tried and tested method is,

    when I ask you a question you often answer with a riddle.
    A symptom of my autism is that I like things to be black & white. - to be polite , whatever your issue is...we can deal with it...but don't use it as an excuse for not researching your issue...

    I’m going to ask the same question for a third time.

    Please just give a straight forward answer.
    Why have I been advised to submit a CPR 31:14icon if everyone predicted that VCS would ignoreicon it? - yes if you read like threads you'll see this..it is a REQUEST, it is NOT [and cannot be a] DEMAND

    And how can their failure to respond be used to my advantage? - that they cannot prove their claim

    Is there any merit in any of the benefits I suggested above? - read like threads

    Thank you for your patience explaining this to me.

    Not being funny but....
    CAG is also a self-help site
    Unless you have done so whilst not logged in
    You've not read ONE other like thread!

    If i were really as green on this and thus worried about this as you seen be id be using my time reading up

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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    failure to respond to a CPR 31.14 request places the onus on the claimant to produce all of the documents before the claim can be considered as not doing so places the defendant at a disadvantage and more importantly, what you are asking for is proof that VCS have the right to make a claim.

    If they cant show they have a right then they dont have one.
    Telling a judge this in your defence will mean that the first thing they will do is demand to see this proof or the case will be chucked out without further discussion.

    It does happen and usually as what is called a Case Management Meeting, usually done by way of an order but sometimes a preliminary hearing or discussion in chambers.


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    Hello everyone

    Thank you ericsbrother. that is much clearer now.

    I have some more information.

    Firstly,
    I spoke to someone in the Sheffield Planning Dept,
    who was very supportive,
    but massively overworked.

    Apparently she is presently the only staff in the dept.
    She was also once caught by VCS and paid them!

    There is no planning permission for signage,
    although she thinks the small signs don't require it.

    Browsing through their online archive I found an application back in 2004 for a "non illuminated freestanding name sign" which was refused!

    The archive doesn't go back far enough to see the original permission for the retail development and the woman wasn't able to do a search while i waited, so I couldn't check for Planning Conditions attached to that Consent relating specifically to parking.

    I could make a formal request for a planning search but I wouldn't receive the results before the Judgement date.

    The land owner is Henderson Property Fund and the estate is managed by Lambert Hampton Smith.
    I spoke to someone from Lambert H.S. who told me that VCS's contract is with the landowner, but serviced by them.
    When I asked specific questions about the contract, they referred me to the landowner.

    I now have some photos of the entrance and exit of the carpark, taken by a family member who is local, but they are of limited use.
    I was hoping for notes relating to dimensions, positions, visibility, etc.

    They are going back to take some more pictures and make notes.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dx100uk View Post
    Unless you are doing it whilst not logged in
    Youve not viewed one orher private parking claimformicon thread..
    I have spent many hours researching/actioning this issue, both on CAGicon and elsewhere.

    I work 25 hour long shifts and, because of this, much of my research time has been at work on the office computer.

    I tend to only log in when I submit a reply.

    I don't want anyone to think I expect CAGicon to hand me this on a plate, with no effort on my part.

    My many questions are partly as a result of information overload.

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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    Right,
    they DO need PP as it isnt applicable for "deemed consent" because of the content.

    Read up on the 2007 Town and Country Planning Act on a document linked to the parking pranksters blogspot and web page.
    It is written by a retired lawyer and very thorough.

    You will use that info to damn them when they say they dont need permission due to deemed consent and size of signage etc when they do.
    Also if their signs are so small as to be exempt how the hell are you supposed to read them whilst driving past?

    that is also part of why you need to know their position and size so you can show that they are impossible to read when entering the land and thus that makes any contractual offer on them void due to illegibility.
    A passenger might stand a hope of catching a glimpse but they arent being offered anything.

    also need to be able to read the small print which cant be read at present.


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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    Quote Originally Posted by Joh7n View Post

    I have spent many hours researching/actioning this issue, both on CAGicon and elsewhere.
    I work 25 hour long shifts and, because of this, much of my research time has been at work on the office computer.
    I tend to only log in when I submit a reply.
    I don't want anyone to think I expect CAGicon to hand me this on a plate, with no effort on my part.
    My many questions are partly as a result of information overload.
    probably the latter then,.....well done

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    Default Re: VCS PCN Caimform - Car park: Berkeley Centre, Ecclesall RD, Sheffield, S11 8PN

    Those (smaller) parking signs still look bigger than 0.3≤M to me, but it's difficult to tell from a picture.

    But regardless, even if they don't need specific planning permission, that massive car parking sign at the entrance most certainly does! And without that, it won't matter whether the other signs have planning permission or were placed there via divine intervention. The whole scheme doesn't comply with planning regulations.

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