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    • I have received a PCN from Euro Car Parks for MFG - Esso Cobham - Gravesend. I was completely unaware that there was any such limit for parking and always considered this to be a service station. I stopped there to use the toilet, have a coffee and made a couple of work calls. I have read the previous topics on this location which suggest I can ignore this and ECP will not take legal action. The one possible complication is that the vehicle is leased by my employer so I do not want to involve them with the associated reminders and threatening letters. The PCN was first issued to the leasing company Arval who have notified ECP of the hiring company. I have attached a copy of the PCN Notice to Hirer with details removed as per instructions. What options do I have or should I just pay the PCN promptly at the reduced rate of £60? img20240424_23142631.pdf
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Hello.

I am another one to add to the list of finding my car not being on the hpi basic check.

 

Got the car in February and today got visited by two people and a car transporter from Burlington Group acting on behalf of Car Cash Point.

 

The bill of sale was never produced from the Burlington operative when i asked for it, instead proceeded to get the police involved.

 

I should have stood my ground but instead agreed to pay off the remaining debt to keep the car. Wouldn't be able to work without it.

 

All i can do now is find the registered keeper and put my claim to get the money back.

 

My problem is with Car Cash Point & The Burlington Group who refused to give me the name of the registered keeper of the vehicle who got the loan against the car.

 

My initial foray into the Data Protection Act only gives me request for information on myself.

 

Where do i go for a request for information on a person from the files of a private company ie, (Car Cash Point).

 

It has been found that the past keeper of the vehicle had another registration logbook from the DVLA to sell the vehicle onto a dealership the same day they took out the loan.

 

I am in the process of back tracking to the two dealerships the car belonged to before me in order to get the original keepers details.

 

However i feel they will also abide by the data protection act.

How do i legally get this persons details.

Thank you.

 

Caissons Disease. (Ex diver)

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Previous keeper details on the v5c?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Thank you for replying dx100uk.

 

Unfortunately, from the point of the logbook being used for a Cashpoint car loan

the vehicle went through two other change of hands before it got to me.

I am the third person in the chain to buy the car.

 

I know the person from whom i purchased the car from very well.

Having spoken to him he is able to provide me with the dealership name and address from where he purchased the car.

He is also going to contact this same dealership to see if they will provide details of the person who sold it to them.

 

This, i believe is where the dealership may or may not use the data protection act to not provide the information i require.

Is there a request for data information from a third party that i can use.

Thanks.

Caissonsdisease.

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Unfortunately you have to take your friend to court. You cannot jump steps.

You take your friend to court

Your friend takes the dealership to court

The dealership takes the original owner to court.

 

Your contract is with you and your friend, not you and the dealrship

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Thank you sgtbush.

You are right. But empathy gives me the argument that to get what i want i stand to lose a an old and very good friend. I believe he is just as much a victim in this as i am.

However, re-looking at the HPI companies including reputable ones such AA and RAC they all seem to offer extended services at extra cost (A Jaw Dropping EXTRA COST)

These extra services include the details of every owner the vehicle has had from manufacture to present date.

 

The point i am trying to make is pertaining to my original question.

The data protection act specifically states i can only retrieve information about myself by way of an information request and a small fee.

 

Yet these HPI companies seem to have gained legal standing to offer all information on any person to anyone who requests it 'For a large fee'.

 

Now i read a news item a few years ago the the DVLA were questioned over selling data to third party companies.

It does seem that the Data Protection Act becomes null and void when personal information is traded on to private third party companies.

News Papers have this same legal standing to acquire information on other people, companies or just about anything they want to report about.

 

It is this mechanism of gaining information that i want to know about. How it works. How it seems to be completely impervious to the Freedom of Information Act.

Yes, i could quite easily pay for the service offered by RAC and AA but i want to understand how it works first.

 

Thanks.

Pat Lane :)

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