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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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My daughter recently purchased a car from a large car trader in South Wales. She was told that the car had a full service history, which she later found out that there was no service history. She also later found out that the car is an ex-company car (fleet car), which she was not informed about by the car salesman.

 

She paid over the book price for the car because she was under the impression that the car had a full service history and too later find out that the car is an ex-company car she now feels conned. The car sales company are not interested.

 

Is there an obligation by the car sales garage to disclose that the previous owner was a company and that the car was a fleet vehicle?

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Is there an obligation by the car sales garage to disclose that the previous owner was a company and that the car was a fleet vehicle?

 

No obligation to disclose unless asked.

If asked they can’t lie but the salesman might say “I don’t know” or “I’m not sure” rather than “No”.......

 

My daughter recently purchased a car from a large car trader in South Wales. She was told that the car had a full service history, which she later found out that there was no service history. She also later found out that the car is an ex-company car (fleet car), which she was not informed about by the car salesman.

 

She paid over the book price for the car because she was under the impression that the car had a full service history and too later find out that the car is an ex-company car she now feels conned. The car sales company are not interested.

 

How recently?!

 

The trader will say that she got a car of the condition it is and the mileage it is, and that the fact it was owned by a company is irrelevant, and she got to see its condition & mileage before deciding to buy it. She’ll certainly be entitled to the difference between having a FSH and not if she can show it was advertised as having a FSH and they don’t provide one.

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You really don't give us many details.

 

What is the name of the garage?

when was the vehicle purchased?

does she have evidence that they claimed there was FSH?

Has she contacted the garage about it?

what did they say?

 

We really shouldn't have to tease these details out of people

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Most of the nearly new cars sold these days are ex fleet cars, Usually company cars that have been used just like any other privately owned cars

 

If it was an ex fleet car then it should have a full service history as servicing would have been included within the contract

 

Ex fleet cars that i have owned in the past didn't come with a stamped service book as such, But a print out of its history

 

I would contact the fleet company for a copy of it, Failing that contact the main dealer, They should have its service history on their system

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The retailer has an obligation to disclose any facts that may influence the person buying the vehicle. An evans Halshaw branch (in Wales IIRC) lost a small claims case last year due to this exact issue with the car previously being a hire car. If you look at many main agents adverts now they will say 'This vehicle may have previously been owned by a daily hire company'.

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The retailer has an obligation to disclose any facts that may influence the person buying the vehicle. An evans Halshaw branch (in Wales IIRC) lost a small claims case last year due to this exact issue with the car previously being a hire car. If you look at many main agents adverts now they will say 'This vehicle may have previously been owned by a daily hire company'.

 

There's a big difference though between having previously been a company fleet vehicle and having previously been a hire car vehicle. There's no reason a vehicle that has been used by a company car driver should be in worse condition or lower value than one of same age and mileage that was privately owned. Quite possibly the company vehicle would be in better condition because the fleet department makes sure it's regularly serviced, any issues are dealt with promptly etc.

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There's a big difference though between having previously been a company fleet vehicle and having previously been a hire car vehicle. There's no reason a vehicle that has been used by a company car driver should be in worse condition or lower value than one of same age and mileage that was privately owned. Quite possibly the company vehicle would be in better condition because the fleet department makes sure it's regularly serviced, any issues are dealt with promptly etc.

 

I guess you are not aware of the class action suit regarding Glynn Hopkin? This suit is based on company/ex-fleet vehicles being sold without this being stated to the end purchaser.

 

I agree that company cars, in theory, are ‘better’ cars sometimes due to often being run without cost constraint and new cars benefit from being run in by a variety of driving styles.

 

The customers angle is that a fleet car has had multiple drivers but is still often advertised as a ‘one owner’ vehicle.

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And no one owner car has ever had multiple drivers?

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All of the above is irrelevant, you have to take the car on face value. The reality is that cars run by a company are a better bet than those sold subject to private use. The seller is under no obligation to disclose previous use or that the vehicle has been used for other purposes. The disclosure would only apply to cars that are subject to an insurance right off!

 

 

Used cars are used by definition and whilst caveat emptor has been watered down it doesn't escape the fact that the definition of a used car means it has been used and is therefore not new!!!

 

 

Gawd this site is so annoying with daft claims, a gun ho attitude without or little factual documentation.

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There's not much you can do about the car being ex company, but if they advertised it as having fsh and they don't have any proof of it, she can reject the car or find out the difference in price and ask for a partial refund.

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Some company cars have multiple drivers, some who are careful and some who hammer the car. Same applies with hire cars. The cars do not belong to the driver so should they be considerate about the way the car is driven?

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You really don't give us many details.

 

What is the name of the garage?

when was the vehicle purchased?

does she have evidence that they claimed there was FSH?

Has she contacted the garage about it?

what did they say?

 

We really shouldn't have to tease these details out of people

 

 

Lack of relevant information is a perpetual problem on this site which leads to much wrong speculation and false expectations!

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I am not in the motor trade but have bought, sold and especially rented a lot of cars in my time.

 

With a car I think most is down to the keeper / user and, as others have said, you get good and bad no matter what.

 

As an example when I have a project which involves a lot of miles I always rent cars for long term but still through the daily rental market and I treat them as if they were my own and can have them for the full mileage of the rental fleet - how can this be worse than a 2 private owner car with one bad driver who never leaves a town or city?

 

The proposed class action is a complete joke in my view as there is no loss to the consumer whatsoever.

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It is up to prospective purchaser to ask to see the V5 log book. If refused, just walk away.

FSH is not the B all & end all considering what a service consists of nowadays in large garages.

Low mileage is not a guarantee of good quality----who ever got my first Motability car got a low mileage, fully serviced car, which I had thrashed from new, including towing a heavy trailer.

If you are spending a lot of money on a car then get a proper mechanic to check it out first.

Buy on straight HP. Never believe a word a car salesman tells you---most of them have no product knowledge anyway.

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