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    • it is NOT A FINE.....this is an extremely important point to understand no-one bar a magistrate in a magistrates criminal court can ever fine anyone for anything. Private Parking Tickets (speculative invoices) are NOT a criminal matter, merely a speculative contractual Civil matter hence they can only try a speculative monetary claim via the civil county court system (which is no more a legal powers matter than what any member of Joe Public can do). Until/unless they do raise a county court claim a CCJ and win, there are not ANY enforcement powers they can undertake other than using a DCA, whom are legally powerless and are not BAILIFFS. Penalty Charge Notices issued by local authorities etc were decriminalised years ago - meaning they no longer can progress a claim to the magistrates court to enforce, but go directly to legal enforcement via a real BAILIFF themselves. 10'000 of people waste £m's paying private parking companies because they think they are FINES...and the media do not help either. the more people read the above the less income this shark industry get. where your post said fine it now says charge .............. please fill out the Q&A ASAP. dx  
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    • good you are getting there. Lloyds/TSb...i certainly would not be risking possible off-setting going on if a choice were there, but in all honestly thats obv too late now..., however..you might not never be in that situation so dont worry too much. regardless to being defaulted or not, if any debt that is not paid/used in 6yrs it becomes statute barred. you need to understand a couple of things like 'default' and 'default notice' a default is simply a recorded D in the calendar section/history of a debt, it does not really mean anything. might slightly hit your rating. the important thing here is a default notice , these are issued by the original creditor (OC) under the consumer credit act, it gives you 14 days to settle whatever they are asking, if you don't then they have the option to register a defaulted date on your credit file. that can make getting other credit more difficult. and hits your rating. once that happens, not matter what you do after that, paying it or not or not paid off or not, the whole account vanishes from your credit file on the DN's 6th b'day. though that might not necessarily mean the debt is not still owed - thats down to the SB date above. an OC very rarely does court and only the OWNER of a debt can instigate any court action (Attempted a CCJ) DCA's debt collection agencies - DCA's are NOT BAILIFFS they have ZERO legal powers on ANY debt - no matter what it's TYPE. an OC make pass a debt to a dca as their client to try and spoof people into paying through legal ignorance of the above statement. an OC may SELL on an old debt to a DCA/debt buyer (approx 10p=£1) and then claim their losses through tax write off and their business insurance, wiping their hands of the debt. the DCA then becomes the debt OWNER. since the late 70's dca's pull all kinds of 'stunts' through threat-o-grams to spoof a debtor into paying them the full value of the debt, when they bought if for a discounted sum (typically 10p=£1). you never pay a dca a penny! if read carefully, NONE of their letters nor those of any other 'trading names' they spoof themselves under making it seem it's going up some kind of legitimate legal 'chain' say WILL anything....just carefully worded letters with all kinds of threats of what could/might/poss happen with other such words as instruct forward pass... well my dog does not sit when instructed too...so... DCA's SOMETIMES will issue a court claim, but in all honesty its simply a speculative claim hoping mugs wet themselves and cough up...oh im going to court... BIG DEAL DCA - show me the enforceable paperwork signed by me...9/10 they dont have it and if your defence is conducted properly, most run away from you . however before they do all that they now have to send a letter of claim, cause the courts got fed up with them issuing +750'000PA speculative claims and jamming up the legal system. so bottom line is two conclusions.... if you cant pay a debt, get a DN issued ASAP (stop paying it!) make sure it gets registered on your file then it stops hurting your file/future credit in 6yrs regardless to what happens (bar of course a later DCA CCJ - fat chance mind!)  once you've a registered DN , then look into restarting payments if the debt is still owed by the OC, if SOLD to a DCA, don't pay - see if they issue a letter of claim (then comeback here!).        
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    • Any update here?  I ask as we have someone new being hassled for parking at this site.
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Three days ago I travelled on DLR and I was stopped by an inspector outside the station, who checked my Oyster card and informed me I didn’t touch in.

I never touch In or Out because I purchase a weekly travel card.

I completely forgot to renew my travel card, which expired two days ago.

I’m aware this is not a valid excuse,

I should had known better.

 

Knowing that I was wrong, I didn’t argue with the inspector, I was ready to pay for my stupidity.

From the beginning the inspector was extremely arrogant towards me, not even once I spoke to him badly (to be honest I didn’t speak much, I was too ashamed).

 

The inspector asked for my ID and passed me a notepad to write down my details, before writing my details I asked ‘what will happen next?’ he replies ‘Just write your details down’. My boyfriend then asks ‘can you just please explain why she needs to write her details down?’ the inspector then pushed him and aggressively said ‘I am talking to her, not to you’.

We were absolutely shocked by his action, my boyfriend then told him to not touch him.

The inspector started intimidating my boyfriend by speaking inches from his face.

 

Another inspector jumps in and tries to calm the other inspector down.

This inspector tells us to leave, but before that the first inspector took my Oyster card.

 

I was shaking,

I stayed outside the station with my boyfriend for 5-10 minutes.

None of the inspectors come to us, they could clearly see us from where they were staying and I was just too scared to go back there to ask for my Oyster card back.

 

I was hoping that one of them could come to us to apologise for the unacceptable behaviour from the first inspector and return my Oyster card - but they ignored us.

 

I have complained to TFL by email but I am truly worried what the inspector will do with my data, I haven’t provided my details but the Oyster card was registered (which contains my Name and Address).

 

I just dont know what to expect, I deserve to pay the fine (and I am happy to do so) but I didn't deserve to be treated the way I was treated.

 

Thank you for taking the time to read about my experience and I look forward to hearing from you.

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I'm sure that it must have been very distressing – especially at the stressful time like that. There is no reason for people to be rude and I suppose in all of these kinds of jobs, there are people who let it get to their heads a bit.

 

However, I'm afraid I don't think there is anything you can do and I think that you will just have to learn a little bit more about human nature.

 

I expect that you will be hearing in writing from TfL at some point and if I were you I would respond back very quickly and tell them how sorry you are about it and how you really have learnt a lesson and it won't happen again.

 

I would start complaining about their employee. It will just simply make it look as if you are resentful – and it won't solve anything. If you had had an independent witness then it would have made a difference. However, I'm afraid that it is very likely that they get hundreds of people every week who get caught out and then feel extra sensitive about the treatment they receive and decide to try make an issue of it as part of their response to the letter from TfL.

 

Your best interests will be simply to say nothing except that you are very sorry. That will minimise any penalty which is levied on you and after that, probably the best thing to do is just get on with life but don't forget the lesson.

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