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    Default PCM Windscreen PCN claimform - Sailsbury village - REsidential Permit fallen on Floor

    Hi,

    I received a parking ticket for 60 if I pay it in 14 days and 100 if I pay it in 30 days from a PCM (Parking control management),
    I have a permit however it was on the floor of my car but visible through the windscreen, I still got a ticket,
    I appealed the ticket and I still have no reply.

    I got a letter in the post stating I now have to pay 160 because I haven’t paid,
    however I was waiting for the reply from the appeal

    I called and apparently if I hadn’t heard in 14 days from the appeal I should of called them and I was made aware that it said this on the back of the parking ticket, however they claimed to have sent a letter declining the appeal on the 2nd of February which I still haven’t received,

    I appealed on the 1st of February and the ticket was issued on the 30th of January.

    What shall I do?

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    So you have identified yourself as the driver, what kind of Permit system is it, work? Residential?

    Hang tight the team will be along soon with other questions in the meantime if you could answer the questions here:

    https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.u...Parking-Ticket

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    Default Re: PCM Windscreen PCN claimform - Sailsbury village - REsidential Permit fallen on Floor

    Quote Originally Posted by brassnecked View Post
    So you have identified yourself as the driver, what kind of Permit system is it, work? Residential?
    It is a residential area, I live in the area and my car is normally parked there. The area is controlled by PCM and you need permits to park there. I hope this helps.


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    Have you got allocated parking, and is it rented or owned properties? Terms of occupation might trump the PPC depending on who allowed them to infest the area. Anyway I'm sure the team will be along soon with useful info and advice.

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    Default Re: PCM Windscreen PCN claimform - Sailsbury village - REsidential Permit fallen on Floor

    We don't have allocated parking and I'm a student at Hertfordshire University living in a rented properly for students.

    I received the parking chargeicon on the 30th of January, appealed on the 1st and said this:

    I recently bought a new car, my permit had yet to be stuck onto the new window so it was left on the dashboard. Presumably a gust of wind blew the permit from the dashboard onto the front seat.

    I was in a lecture when my housemate saw the traffic warden and ran outside to challenge him, however he had disappeared.

    He got photographic evidence of the permit on display in the front of the vehicle minutes after the traffic warden issued the ticket.

    The time the ticket issued was 10:48am, the time-stamp on the first photo taken of the ticket and permit on display was at 10:56am (delay caused by searching for the traffic warden).

    The permit was clearly visible from any angle, which is backed up by photo evidence.
    The photos were taken by a housemate who did not have access to the inside of the car, so he saw what the warden would have seen.

    I live in a rented house that issued 2 parking permits, only two residents of the house can drive (me and one other), so there is no reason why my permit wouldn't have been in the car.

    I understand that the permit should have been on the dashboard, but due to my circumstances i hope that you can show me kindness and allow me this once.

    I cant currently afford to pay the charge and it will leave me in dire financial circumstances, potentially leaving me in the situation where i cannot afford to travel home to see my dad, my mum recently passed in December and he relies on me to come home to visit him every weekend.
    I can provide photos when requested.
    Thankyou for time.

    Apparently it was declined and i was sent a letter in the post on the 2nd of Feb which i still haven't received and i was made aware of this when i rang up after receiving a letter stating i have to now pay 160 as i didn't enquire about the appeal within 14 daysand it says on this on the back of the parking chargeicon that if i didn't receive a reply in 14 days i had to call, I wasn't given any reason as to why it was declined. this happened in salisbury village a residential area in hatfield.


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    Could you post up the information brassnecked requested in post #2 please?

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    Default Re: PCM Windscreen PCN claimform - Sailsbury village - REsidential Permit fallen on Floor

    1. 30th January 2018

    2. Yes i appealed, this is what i said:
    I recently bought a new car, my permit had yet to be stuck onto the new window so it was left on the dashboard. Presumably a gust of wind blew the permit from the dashboard onto the front seat.
    I was in a lecture when my housemate saw the traffic warden and ran outside to challenge him, however he had disappeared.
    He got photographic evidence of the permit on display in the front of the vehicle minutes after the traffic warden issued the ticket.
    The time the ticket issued was 10:48am, the time-stamp on the first photo taken of the ticket and permit on display was at 10:56am (delay caused by searching for the traffic warden).
    The permit was clearly visible from any angle, which is backed up by photo evidence.
    The photos were taken by a housemate who did not have access to the inside of the car, so he saw what the warden would have seen.
    I live in a rented house that issued 2 parking permits, only two residents of the house can drive (me and one other), so there is no reason why my permit wouldn't have been in the car.
    I understand that the permit should have been on the dashboard, but due to my circumstances i hope that you can show me kindness and allow me this once. I cant currently afford to pay the charge and it will leave me in dire financial circumstances, potentially leaving me in the situation where i cannot afford to travel home to see my dad, my mum recently passed in December and he relies on me to come home to visit him every weekend.
    I can provide photos when requested.
    Thankyou for time.

    3. I have recieved a letter i don't know if it is a NTK, I recieved it on the 14th of March, there is no photographic evidence, it is a letter from Trace who are a debt recovery company, the letter says i have to pay 160 as the case has been passed on to them. The only thing I have recieved from PCM was the ticket on my windscreen.

    4. There was no reply from PCM however they have claimed to reply but i haven't received any reason or letters as to why my appeal was declined.

    5. PCM-Parking control Management, however it has now been passed to Trace-debt recovery

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    Default Re: PCM Windscreen PCN claimform - Sailsbury village - REsidential Permit fallen on Floor

    I have just replied
    Thank you


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    So the extra 60 added by the toothless DCAicon is the famed Unicorn food tax.

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    Could you get us some pictures of the signage in & around the area which relates to parking.

    Try to get some nice close up shots of any displayed (so called) terms & conditions as well.

    Convert them to PDFicon and uploadicon them to this thread.

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    Default Re: PCM Windscreen PCN claimform - Sailsbury village - REsidential Permit fallen on Floor

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    OK. Could the permit be seen by looking through the windscreen? Even if that meant moving your head.

    The term on their sign makes the valid display of a permit impossible unless you are a glass engineer.

    "Displaying a valid parking permit within the windscreen of the vehicle".
    For that to be complied with you would have to have a new windscreen manufactured for your vehicle with a parking permit embedded within it. And a new windscreen every time that they changed the permit. Sounds a bit much.


    If they want to use legalese on their signs and then try to beat you with it, then they really should be saying exactly what they mean. Otherwise, you can beat them over the heads with their own signage.

    As it is, you've got a permit and it was on display in the vehicle (regardless as to where it was). Let them do their worst. There's no way that they'd ever win this in court.

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    Further, I've just noticed that they're also claiming to be a member of a trade body that doesn't exist. The "Independent Parking Committee" no longer exists as a trade organisation. Naughty naughty.

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    Default Re: PCM Windscreen PCN claimform - Sailsbury village - REsidential Permit fallen on Floor

    The permit was in the passenger foot well but you could see it from outside of the car.


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    That sign does seem to ask the impossible and probably get laughed at if they tried court, DF has identified serious breaches below their waterline so follow what the team advise. The devil is in the detail, DF and EB are very good at digging out the detail and any anomalies therein that can be used to tolchok the PPC.

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    Default Re: PCM Windscreen PCN claimform - Sailsbury village - REsidential Permit fallen on Floor

    thanks for the advice, this is looking promising! could you please elaborate what DF and EB mean, thank you


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    I'm on my phone, so this is a little harder to type, but...

    PCM will be 'claiming' that the driver has breached the "terms and conditions that are prominently and clearly displayed"

    How can a driver breach a condition that cannot possibly be complied with?

    Further, they will 'claim' that they "adhere to the codes of practice" of their trade association, which is the International Parking Community.

    The signage however says that they are members of the "Independent Parking Committee" an organisation that does not exist, so how can they be complying with its terms?

    If PCM have failed to update their signage, that can hardly be the fault of the driver.

    None of these points will make any difference to PCM unless they try to take you to court, where these points and many others can be used in your defence to beat them.

    Hell, they might even end up owing you money

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    DF is Dragonfly1967 who has been giving you excellent pointers, EB is ericsbrother, another thorn in the side of greedy PPC's.

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    thanks for the advice, this is looking promising! could you please elaborate what DF and EB mean, thank you
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    Default Re: PCM Windscreen PCN claimform - Sailsbury village - REsidential Permit fallen on Floor

    thank you a lot, my faith in humanity has kind of been restored!


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