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    Default es parking PCN - central reads secure car park blackpool

    es parking enforcement ltd

    06/11/2017 central reads secure car park blackpool

    not parked correctly within the markings of the bay or space

    there is apprently four images which i cannot find on their site

    there is one image on the pcn which i received on the 18/11/2017

    100 paid by 13/12/2017 and 60 if paid by 29/11/2017

    i am sure i parked correctly but i have no proof as no ticket/notice put on windsreen


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    Default Re: es parking PCN - central reads secure car park blackpool

    If this was private property car park then the 'road markings' are meaningless and unenforceable.

    Proivide the info requested and don't contact the PPC until you get the NTK in the post.


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    OK the POFA cretaes a keeper liability for a claim for money due as a result of a contractual obligation or a breach of contract if certain conditions are met.

    If they were slapping a ticket on the car they have to send out the NTK in a certain time frame.
    If they wish to use ANPR or other methods where a ticket isnt given to the driver certain other conditions must be met and that includes sending out the NTK in a certain time frame ( they got that right) and showing any evidence that the notice was brought to the attention of the driver.

    Now as they have used a hand held device ( a camera at least) why havent they then notified the driver at the time as they are obliged to tell you as the keeper the hows and whys.

    Post up the letter with your personal details and any reference numbers, barcodes or QR codes redacted and we will pick holes in it.
    ES are not honest brokers and undoubtedly they still get things massively wrong.

    After that we may ask to see images of the signage at the car park but no hurry for that, nothing can happen for a month


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    thanks for reply
    im having bother getting used to this forum i have sent you two messages but were not submitted
    what is an ntk

    thanks for reply how do i post up the letter


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    Quote Originally Posted by rossalyn View Post
    thanks for reply
    im having bother getting used to this forum i have sent you two messages but were not submitted
    what is an ntk
    Here's a link to the forum stikky with commonly used abbreviations.

    https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.u...Motoring-Terms

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    pst..
    if you complete the link in post 2
    it explains everything you need to know and we need to know...hint...

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    IF you use PM's you will miss out on a lot of good advice from others,

    no-one is the oracle on these matters nor are we infallible.

    Public postings also help others in the same boat.

    If everything was private you wouldnt have found this forum in the first place.


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    1 Date of the infringement[s] 6.11.2017

    2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 15.11.2017

    3 Date received 18.11.2017

    4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [y/n?] no

    5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? yes
    one image just showing the rear passenger side view
    none on rear end or driver side view
    no clear views of car outsde box

    i have phoned at least twelve times as stated on letter to get more images online
    spoke to a lady once but she was no help
    but said there were four images showing on her computer,
    but there is no way of seeing them

    6 Have you appealed? {y/n?] post up your appeal]
    Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up NO NOT YET

    7 Who is the parking company? ES PARKING ENFORCEMENT LTD COMPLAINTS TO THE IPC

    8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] CENTRAL READS SECURE CAR PARK BLACKPOOL FY14DG

    Sorry question 6 no to both

    Thanks dx100uk

    Sorry i have no pictures myself of the car in box or any signage as i had no notice on windscreen on departure


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    hey well done!!

    now little tip NEVER EVER PHONE THEM!!

    can you get the NTK posted up please

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    Sorry i did phone but not anymore

    Here is the document (I Hope)

    Attached Files Attached Files

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    thread tidied

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    Default Re: es parking PCN - central reads secure car park blackpool

    Here's another could please remove the other one

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    Default Re: es parking PCN - central reads secure car park blackpool

    we need to see the signage at the car park.
    That will be any signs at the entrance to the land from the public highway, and signs within the car park itself that are different to the first one and picture of any parking meter or the like.

    An idea of the layout of the car park and where you were parked in relation to any of the signs would be very helpful as well.

    As you have phoned them 12 times we can assume that it is a reasonable assumption that the driver and keeper are the same.


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    thanks ericsbrother

    i had taken no pictures of signage or car park as i didnt know i would receive this cpn

    i have four images taken by the enforcement company ,
    one of which shows one sign,
    you can obtain these by going on their site

    the signage in the car park i would say from memory is very clear and numerous,
    the three images of my car in the bay are not really showing the car outside the bay and are terrible.
    as perhaps you are aware you can go on google maps and view car park ,

    you really need to view the images supplied by es enforcement,
    but its getting them to this forum for you to view

    today is the last day to pay the lower price of 60
    but i intend to go to court if i have to ,,
    i am the driver and the keeper

    how can i cancel this file with dates on

    ive just tagged google search for the car park and it shows a different car park to the one i was parked in
    the car park in question is off a back street behind the main road car park,
    there is three all in the same area managed by es enforcement


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    you need to go take pictures and do a layout map

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    OK but from now on you dont go on their website or any other similar website,
    they use analytical tools to see who is visiting
    and that may identify you and cause problems should you be using a no keeper liability argument.

    They already stretch their arguments over driver and keeper so you dont want to be having to defend what you look at online.

    I am not interested in what you recall from memory,
    we need hard evidence because if this goes further than silly letters it will forarm you and hopefully we will be able to advise you of what to say to avoid going to court.

    If you get another ticket/NTK dont even say you are the driver to us,
    you use the third person when talking about events so things like
    " the driver at the time DDicon not see any signs" rather than I/my husband/brother/ or we.

    Unfortunately it all becomes a bit of a game of chess sometimes so we want them to make th wrong moves.

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    Default Re: es parking PCN - central reads secure car park blackpool

    sorry because of cost i am not able to supply any pictures of site


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    cost?
    explain?

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    Default Re: es parking PCN - central reads secure car park blackpool

    cost and distance thanks for replies


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