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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
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    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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Hi all

 

Very curious about how long a PCN can actually be live/valid for and if there's a certain cut off period where the regarding council have no right to ask for any payment anymore.

 

I have been disputing a PCN back and forth since last July 2016 and once again have had it brought back down to £65 at "the discretion" of said council employee.

 

Do I really need to pay this?

 

Can they keep pursuing me leading to court/bailiff action?

 

If I have to pay the £65 within 2 weeks I will but if I do not really need to of course I would like a way out of it.

 

Any info/clarification would be appreciated

 

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Yes but I've already gone through all of these stages with them over the past year and just now had the Order for recovery reduced back to an NtO again which I then appealed asking for a further discount which I've been given for the 2nd time in the year.

 

Just seems like they themselves have gotten lost with my PCN and forgot whats actually happened

 

Here is the latest letter from them if it helps at all understanding the scenario in addition to the above

 

Regards

camden letter.pdf

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Here is the latest letter from them if it helps at all understanding the scenario in addition to the above

 

https://imgur.com/a/p63iB

 

Regards

 

It seems from the letter that you wanted to pay the discounted amount, which they have agreed to, even though they are under no obligation to do that.

 

Further they have also said that you can appeal to adjudication, but I assume that you wouldn't have offered to pay the discount if you had a good chance of the adjudicator allowing your appeal.

 

Without knowing the whys and wherefore of the original contravention, I'd pay the discount

 

Yes, Even though its a year + later do they still have the right to request payment?

 

Is there not a cut off date for when the PCN ceases to be live?

 

Not really, just because you have managed to spin it out for 15 months doesn't make enforcement invalid

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I don't know how the adjudication process works and have no Idea if my appeal would be worthy enough.

 

I received the initial PCN because I pulled up in a residential bay to take a break from driving as I had been driving a while and my car battery died on me due to my old ish car,

Left it to find someone in the nearby shops with leads or anyone to help really

 

when I came back had been issued a ticket.

I explained my car battery's faulty nature to them over the past year within the disputes and even offered to show them the numerous times breakdown cover had to come and assist me. They disregarded this as my own ignorance.

 

To be honest I'm not sure why I've been offered a discounted price once again as they reduced it from an NtO a while ago as well to £65 and said they would not do it again...

 

that is the scenario

 

Not really, just because you have managed to spin it out for 15 months doesn't make enforcement invalid

 

Alrighty, Fair enough, I read somewhere its only enforceable for 6 months or so.

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There is this exemption: A vehicle is prevented from moving by circumstances beyond the driver’s control, which could apply if a vehicle has broken down.

 

However, by your own admission, this had happened on 'numerous' occaisons, ie it was not a one off and something that you knew about but failed to fix, which is almost certainly why they rejected your reps.

 

It's unlikely to win at adjudication. My advice is still to pay the discount

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moved to the local authority PCN forum

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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What if I told them it was a one off, Would there be any possibility of getting out of this?

 

a) that would be a lie which at adjudication, is liable to a fine of up to £5000

 

b) you said that you have already told them, presumably in writing, that you offered to show them the numerous times Breakdown Coverlink3.gif had to come and assist me.

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No wriggling here Just weighing up options considering I've done this much curious If I could completely right it off as every penny counts especially when it was out of your control initially.

 

Any way I could find out if an adjudicator would recommend cancellation? and you said the council can ignore it... Whats the point in an adjudicators decision?

 

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To answer your original question, I believe the PCN is enforceable for seven years.

 

The council will not ignore the adjudicator. There'd be no point in having it, if either party could ignore the ruling. The council will do whatever the adjudicator directs.

 

Your letter above states that the council has not accepted a formal representation yet, so you are not in a position to appeal to the adjudictor. You would need to first let the new discount offer expire, then make a formal representation, then have it rejected - and then you can apply to the adjudicator.

 

I will say that the letter shows you already agreed to pay the discount after making failed reps before. If you now take this all the way, it will not reflect well on you, and the adjudicator may well decide that you are acting vexatiously. At the end of the day, it's taxpayers' money you are using up on this process, and it's costing 'us' (not me personally) more than the PCN itself. He shouldn't let that sway his decision of course, but it just doesn't make it look like a particularly genuine case.

 

As to the outcome, I would say it's the toss of a coin.

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no there isnt because they served the NTO in time. You dragging it out for a century wont make it go away as all it does is keep it "live" as you put it so even the Limitations Act wont com into play.

 

Yes, Even though its a year + later do they still have the right to request payment?

 

Is there not a cut off date for when the PCN ceases to be live?

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