Location - Maghull square L31 0AE

Hi, hope your able to help,

I work in one of the units,

our allocated parking has been disrupted all year due to extensions being carried out on the building.

We're advised by landlord of the disruption that has been active since 2016.

Parking alternatives were provided as long as our permits were on display due to the disruption.

The 1st parking option was inaccessible on the day to works.

The 2nd was full up.

proceeded to park in the square car parking facility with permit on display.

Warden tickets be because over stated the 2 hours.

When appealed EPS declined to accept reason n proceed to enforce the fine.

Asked fircassustabce from Lsnd lord who admitted he has advised EPS to wave a few but won't on this occasion.

Never had a ticket before an feel The fact my permit was on display, trapped my car n brought it to the attention of the warden who targeted my car.

When challenged the warden his response was " it's only £50 just pay it".

Can anyone offer help an assistance.

This is private land issue.

Your help would be much appreciated

OK,

I presume the ticket slapped on the car.

What was the date of this event and what correspondence do you have so far?

If you havent written to anyone then I suggest that you wait until EPS write to you as the keeper of the vehicle and take it from there.

In the meanwhile do not engage with the twit who goes round ticketing vehicles, he is an irrelevance.

Also, as you go there every day take some pictures of the car park with all the mess,

show where you normally park and where you have to park now and also photograph the signs at each location so we can see the differences.

Any claim they make is born out of sheer greed and nothing to do with any contractual rights they have.

The LL has already made another contract with you that trumps their rights

but they are just too stupid and greedy to care about the legal niceties.

Hello there.

We have another thread here that seems to be about the same parking company and location. Here's a link.

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?475059-euro-parking-gladstones-claimform-PCN-maghull-shopping-centre-merseyside(6-Viewing)-nbsp

HB

1st

it is NOT A FINE

its a speculative invoice

please complete the following

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?462118-Have-you-received-a-Parking-Ticket-(1-Viewing)-nbsp

your case is more like the one reported on the parking pranksters blog on the 23rd aug, Excel v Drain Trace ltd.

Essentially it is all about supremacy of contract,

your landlord gave you permissions that these bandits cant legally interfere with

but as stated, they are too stupid and greedy to think about this.

When we have the details of the ticket and your correspondence we can offer advice on what to write to them but in the meanwhile just keep whatever correspondence you have safe as it will be needed.

Thank you for your repliees and assistance.

I have attached a copy of the Ticket Issued and my appeal letter, then the 2 replies ive had back from EPS

Thanks Steve

Good Afternoon,

docs1.pdf

the date on your appeal letter is 2 days before the date of the event.

what date did you appeal to them,

they say they received it on the 24th july.

This is important because they have issued a NTK and if you appelaed before this time they had no reason to obtain the keeper details as it was the driver who was appealing and only that person has anything to do with it.

This means that if the keeper details are different to the driver details the keeper can sue them for a damned sight more money than they will ever get from the parking matter.

tell us the date and show us some pictures of the signage at the site so we can find more reasons as to why they have got it wrong.

as it stands you have supremacy of contract to beat them with and the contnets of their own correspondence shows they have just sent a standard response, somehting they are not supposed to do.

The appeals process is supposed to be fair and rigourous and this seems to be neither

( well, we didnt wexpect it to be or they would never earn a penny from anyone).

What to do next?

If you are up for it then I would be ignoring them for a good while.

letting them spend their money sending out silly letters.

If they do go as far as getting Will and John of that famous compamy of solicitors the IPC, no wait, its Gladstones today because they are wearing a blue frock not a pink one, to write you a letter threatening you with court action then you should respond by telling them the truth of the matter and also that you know all about their behaviour and how it gets up the noses of judges throughout the land.

But that is for then. Pictures of the signage and the different part of the land/car park please so we can opine on their contract being comparable with their letter writing

Thank You for your reply,

I can confirm my letter was sent on the 18th (Typing Error),

the Car the ticket was issued against is a company car, and is not registered to me,

i am named as the primary named driver.

The Car is owned by Fleet/Lease company.

Sadly when Fleet receive tickets like this, they automatically pay them to reduce the exposure to charges.

However i have been in contact with the fleet company to advise not to pay the ticket as i am in dispute,

they have therefore placed a note against this registered vehicle to not automatically pay the fine / invoice that comes through to them.

Attached Pictures:

Picture 1: Copy of the Notices on display

Picture 2: View of the main car park where the ticket was issued, and we had permission to park should we have difficulty in parking in the allocated parking at the rear of the building whilst renovation / extentions were being carried out.

Picture 3: View of the Staff parking allocated at the rear of the building.

Picture 4: Picture of the only access point we had to "Picture 3" Parking.

This has been obstructed since late 2016 due to the renovations,

all the "New brick Building" is the size of the extension.

We have only had free access to this in the last 10 days.

Picture 1.pdf

Picture 2.pdf

Picture 3.pdf

Picture 4.pdf

well there is a big argument about lease co's paying these claims anyway as it is not part of the lease terms

and also whether the POFA creates a liability as there is no individual "keeper" and the law is quite clear that companies cannot be the sriver

Hi,what is the next step ?What would you advise.Thanks

If the fleet people have passed the matter on they are in the clear so it is your battle alone.

If they are paying and then billing you that is a different fight

for the moment

as it appears as though you have been named

you can fight this as the driver at the time and that means supremacy of contract.

I hope that you have some evidential trail like a paper permit still,

copies of emails

or even just phone records to show that you spoke to the landlord on a particular date will be enough to show that your version of events is likely to be true.

The parking co wont give up easily because they know that most people pay up eventually or then fail to defend a claim so it is a numbers game for them.

You have created a paper trail outlining your rights

so let them waste money writing rubbish letters to you

then if they get their pet lawyers involved

a final letter firmly stating why they are talking rot will be needed

but at this stage they will ignore anything you say because they want the money

Many Thanks for your reply,

Much appreciated

I have this morning received another letter from EPS - Final reminder

I have attached a copy for your reference.

I have kept all correspondance with the Land Lord, and all communication has been done by email.

The landlord has stopped replying back to me.

He admitted he has the authority to advise EPS to cancel any tickets, which he has done in the past, however it is his personal view that on this occasion he believes there would have been other bays available elsewhere to park and for this reason he wont assist in having this cancelled.

He based this response on the fact he visited the site a week before and found there to be other parking spaces available in another car park that could be used.

which is laughable that he can reply back with such a unqualified defense/statement, when the landlord sits behind a desk in an office based in the Midlands, some 100 miles away. ????

Car Park Final rem.pdf

well, if he said somehting before the event then that is his contract with you, he may ahve now recinded the contract but that can only be from the date he responded after you got the ticket, the law is not retrospective

Thanks for the reply,Should i continue to ignore these reminders coming from EPS

I would, save everything for later though, they may be minded to try their luck as they are IPC members they will have a little voice nagging them to be tough with you but it will cost them money if they listen to it.

Hi,

I received the attached court letter this morning, what would you advise i do ?

regards

Steve

PCN Court Letter.pdf

Another one using Gladdys I think EB will dissect this one OK.

Nothing to worry about. They have already shot themselves in the foot by demanding £160. A subtle note composed by EB will probably make them see sense.

Nothing to worry about. They have already shot themselves in the foot by demanding £160. A subtle note composed by EB will probably make them see sense.

No grounds for a claim of £160, EB will eviscerate them with extreme prejudice.

This is not a court letter,

it is just too rubbish to be one so it is another threatogram that can and should be ignored BUT if you want to say somehting then I would suggest the following:

Dear Shamshar Singh,

I am in receipt of your shoddily laid out threat undated of court action that fails miserably to adhere to the Civil Procedure Regulations regarding the format and detail needed for a letter before claim.

This will of course be reported to the Courts Sevrice under CPR 16.2 and will result in the claim being thrown out for procedural impropriety anyway regardless of the fact that your demand has no legality or merit.

However, this is the sort of thing I would expect from a man whose company was nealry compulsorily wound up last March and has presided over 7 other failed companies including 3 other failed parking co's so it doesnt surprise me that you cant do things properly.

Just so you know where I stand,

I have supremacy of contract so have an absolute right to park where I did without interference and harassment from you.

People who are so stupid they dont understand this

lose at court and

get sued for harassment and breach of contract on a regular basis

take this as a warning that not only wont you gain anything by continuing to harass me you stand to lose money as well.

Should you still be thinking of further action I suggest that you read up on the term "you've been Gladstoned" to find out how brilliant your tade association owners are at losing their clients money by their laziness and incompetence.

I trust that this is now the end of the matter and you dont waste any more paper on this pointless exercise.

If nothing else it creates a paper trial that will show that their actions are unreasonable so you get a full costs order.

As for suing them, in your case as you were named by the lease co I'm not sure that actually applies and harassment has quite a high threshold but all things are possible

Morning All,

I have received this letter from EPS regards this ongoing dispute.

Do i need to be concerned, do anything, or reply back

EPS Letter.pdf

They are now travelling backwards in time!

No need to respond to this letter, just file it with the others.

It is just autogenerated and doesnt mention the content of your letter to them anyway

again a breach of the protocols of the POFA but not one that will do you any goos other than to make anything else they say appear unreliable.