Jump to content


  • Tweets

  • Posts

    • LPA.  (I'm fighting insolvency due to all the stuff that he and lender have done).  He appointed estate agents - (changed several times). Disclosure shows he was originally appointed for a specific reason (3m after repo) : using his powers as acting for leaseholder to serve notice on freeholders (to grab fh).  There was interest from 3 potential buyers. He chose one whose offer depended on a positive result of the notice.  Disc also shows he'd taken counsel advice - which was 'he'd fail'.  Irrespective he'd asked to resign as his job (of serving notice) was done and he'd found a buyer.  Lender asked him to stay on to assign notice to the buyer.  Notice failed, buyer didn't buy.  So receiver stayed.  There was 1 buyer who wanted to proceed w/o fh but receiver/ lender wasted 1y trying to get rid of them!  Disc shows why. But I didn't know why at the time. Lender voiced getting rid of receiver. Various reasons - including cost.  But there's a contradiction/ irony: as I've seen an email (of 4y ago) which shows the receiver telling lender not to incur significant costs and to minimize receiver costs.  Yet lender then asked him to serve another notice - again counsel advice indicated 'he'd fail'.  And he did fail.  But wasted 3y trying and incurred huge legal costs - lender trying to pass on to me. Lender interfered - said wanted to do works.  Receiver should have said no.  But disc. shows he agreed to step aside to let them do the works - on proviso lender would discuss potential costs first (they didn't), works wouldn't take long (took 15m), and lender would hold interest (they didn't) (this last point is crucial for me now - as I need to know if I can argue that all interest beyond this point shouldnt be allowed?)   I need to check receiver witness statement in litigation with freeholders to see exactly what he said about 'his position'. But I remember it being along the lines of - 'if the works increased the value of the property he didn't have a problem'.  Lender/ receiver real problems started at this point. The cost of works and 4y passage of time has meant there is no real increase in value. Lender (or receiver) didn't get any permissions (statutory or fh) (and didn't tell me) and just bulldozed the property to an empty shell.  The freeholders served notice on me as leaseholder for breach of covenants (strict no alterations).  The Lender stepped in (acting for me) to issue notice for relief of forfeiture - not the receiver.  That wasted 2y of litigation (3y if inc the works) and incurred huge costs (both sides).  Lender's aim was to do the works that every potential buyer balked at due to the lease restrictions.  Lender and receiver knew couldn't do works w/o fh permission. Lender did them anyway; receiver allowed.  Receiver remained appointed.  I'm arguing lender interfered in receiver duties.  Receiver should have just sold property 4-5y ago w/o allowing any works.  Almost 3y since works finished the property remains unsold (>5y from repo). The property looks brand new - but it was great before.  The lender spent a ton of money - hoping that would facilitate a quick sale.  But the money they spent and the years they have wasted has meant they had to increase sale price.  It's now completely overpriced.  And - of course - the same issues that put buyers off (before works) still exist.   The receiver has tried for 2y to assert the works increased value. But he is relying on agents estimates - which have proved highly speculative. (Usual trick of an agent to give a high value to get the business - and then tell seller to reduce when no-one buys.). And of course lender continues to accrue interest (despite 4y ago receiver saying pause interest). Lender tried to persuade receiver to use specific agent. Disc shows this agent was best friends with the lender's main investor in the property.  Before works this agent had valued it low.  After works this agent suggested a value 70% higher!  The lender persuaded receiver to sack one agent and instead use this agent.  No offers. (Price way too high).   Research has uncovered that this main investor has since died.  I guess his investment is part of probate? And his family want it back?    Disc shows the sacked agent had actually received a high offer 1y ago.  Receiver rejected it.  He was relying on the high speculative valuation the agents had given him to pitch for the business. The agents were in a catch-22.  The receiver sacked them. Disc shows there has been 0 interest ever since. I don't think lender or receiver want all this to come out in public domain via a trial.  It will ruin their reputations. If I can't get an order for sale with lender - can I apply separately against receiver?
    • Ok many thanks. Just wanted to check that nothing else for us to do / send for the moment. Will update again once we receive a copy of their N181 and proposed directions for review. Our post is a bit hit and miss at the moment. Appreciate the help through this process.
    • Yes and will ask you if you are in agreement and or wish to add /remove any direction.
    • Torys seem to think its worth while - cheap muckspreading while they get away with ACTUALLY doing it? More the aspect of ensuring that when these tactics are used without justification - make sure your people aren't doing it more and worse or their crap spread on the waters ... - mind you, the Tories would have to maybe even ease off on their using taxpayer and donor money to fund their preferred lifestyles wouldn't they? Maybe even do the jobs they are paid for?  
  • Recommended Topics

  • Our picks

    • If you are buying a used car – you need to read this survival guide.
      • 1 reply
    • Hello,

      On 15/1/24 booked appointment with Big Motoring World (BMW) to view a mini on 17/1/24 at 8pm at their Enfield dealership.  

      Car was dirty and test drive was two circuits of roundabout on entry to the showroom.  Was p/x my car and rushed by sales exec and a manager into buying the mini and a 3yr warranty that night, sale all wrapped up by 10pm.  They strongly advised me taking warranty out on car that age (2017) and confirmed it was honoured at over 500 UK registered garages.

      The next day, 18/1/24 noticed amber engine warning light on dashboard , immediately phoned BMW aftercare team to ask for it to be investigated asap at nearest garage to me. After 15 mins on hold was told only their 5 service centres across the UK can deal with car issues with earliest date for inspection in March ! Said I’m not happy with that given what sales team advised or driving car. Told an amber warning light only advisory so to drive with caution and call back when light goes red.

      I’m not happy to do this, drive the car or with the after care experience (a sign of further stresses to come) so want a refund and to return the car asap.

      Please can you advise what I need to do today to get this done. 
       

      Many thanks 
      • 81 replies
    • Housing Association property flooding. https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/topic/438641-housing-association-property-flooding/&do=findComment&comment=5124299
      • 161 replies
    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
      Also, we will be to demonstrate to the judge that we are fair-minded and that we don't mind bringing everything to the attention of the judge even if it is against our own interests.
      This is good ethical practice.

      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

      OT APPROVED, 365MC637, FAROOQ, EVRi, 12.07.23 (BRENT) - J v4.pdf
        • Like
  • Recommended Topics

Lowell Pre-Legal assessment letter received - Argos Card debt not on credit file


dibdob59
style="text-align: center;">  

Thread Locked

because no one has posted on it for the last 2611 days.

If you need to add something to this thread then

 

Please click the "Report " link

 

at the bottom of one of the posts.

 

If you want to post a new story then

Please

Start your own new thread

That way you will attract more attention to your story and get more visitors and more help 

 

Thanks

Recommended Posts

Hi

 

Have received a pre-legal assessment letter from Lowell Financial Ltd apparently for Argos Card Services.

 

It does not use the usual 'may' or 'could' comments and reads as follows:

 

Having assessed our options we intend to take legal action to recover this debt if you do not contact us to agree a repayment plan.

 

This debt does not appear on the credit file - not sure what to do in this situation. Any advice would be gratefully received.

 

Thanks

 

Dibdob

Link to post
Share on other sites

Suggest that you send them a CCA request letter with the required £1 fee by postal order. Send by recorded delivery or at least get proif of posting from post office. The letter is in the link above. This should stop them issuing any court claim when the request is outstanding.

 

In the meantime, you should find out from Argos card services when the last payment was missed.

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHERS

 

 Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group

 

If you want advice on your thread please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

ah the old pre school letter

what colour crayon was it in...

 

 

 

 

if its anything like that fake SD from them you have years ago

the debt will be well statute barred...

 

 

when did you last pay argos anything???

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thank you for your reply.

 

There are no specific details of the Argos account so I am unclear how to contact them.

 

The Argos card was held many years ago but cannot remember when and have no details of it any more. Am worried about contacting them and maybe stirring things up because of this.

 

Does the fact that this does not appear on the credit file mean its statute barred?

Link to post
Share on other sites

the debt is nothing to do with argos now

they've sold the dent to a debt buyer

safe to ring them.

 

 

there is no direct link between statute barred and if/if not a file shows on credit files.

 

 

they are not linked

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

No, you can ask for information.

 

Acknowledgement is admitting the debt in writing or making payment.

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHERS

 

 Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group

 

If you want advice on your thread please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thanks

 

So a CCA letter to Lowell on its own is not sufficient?

 

Is the relevant date I need from Argos the date of last paymeant or the default date (if there is one) as have no real idea about this account to be honest.

Link to post
Share on other sites

People do tend to live in fear with debts, so they would rather not contact anyone they owed money to. Human nature !

 

But if you don't find out, then you are in the dark. If you just sent Argos a subject access request you could be wating over a month to get the information back.

 

The info you need from Argos is when you last paid them and when you missed a payment. Whoever handles admin for Argos is more likely to have accurate info than Lowell.

 

If your anxiety is too much, just send the CCA request to Lowell.

We could do with some help from you.

PLEASE HELP US TO KEEP THIS SITE RUNNING EVERY POUND DONATED WILL HELP US TO KEEP HELPING OTHERS

 

 Have we helped you ...?         Please Donate button to the Consumer Action Group

 

If you want advice on your thread please PM me a link to your thread

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi Uncle Bulgaria

 

I appreciate I sound like a scared twit, sorry.

 

Generally I'm a strong advocate for facing your fears but clearly I am also a hypocrite.

 

It's just that I thought we had got past all the debt problems and this has just appeared out of the blue.

Link to post
Share on other sites

if you've not heard or done anything with this debt in years I wouldn't bother with a CCa request yet if at all

if its statute barred

then in matters not what paperwork the powerless dca hold...:lol::lol:

 

it still SB'd..

 

go ring argos card services and ask date of late payment/use

 

don't forget the botoom line here

 

a DCA is NOT A BAILIFF

they have no more powers that you or I

 

all we can do is raise a claim if someone owes us money

that's all they can do too..

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi

 

I have now sent a CCA request to Lowell but since my last post I have read that Argos have been known to arrange for debts with Lowells to be transferred back to Card Services so they can recoup the debt themselves.

 

Because of this I am concerned about sending an SAR letter to Argos and raising their attention. I did mention this in one of my previous posts but I am even more concerned now having read that they have a practice of buying the debts back from Lowell if it suits them.

 

Do I need to contact Argos or should I wait for Lowell to respond to the CCA request?

 

Thanks

 

Dibdob

Link to post
Share on other sites

that's why I said p'haps its not a good idea to CCA Lowells.

but ring argoes and ask last payment date.

 

 

if its SB'd its SB'd, nothing can unbar it

and if its not, a phone call is not admittance

 

 

theres always logic in why I say do certain things...

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Hi

 

Thanks for your response. It is not my intention to disregard your comments, for which I am grateful. However the letter from Lowell was phrased differently from others I have seen from them over the years. Comments such as ''may' and 'could' were not being made and Lowell were stating they 'intend' to take legal action.

 

My concern was that in not responding to them by the deadline on the letter (22 Feb) then they would start legal proceedings and that would be a more complicated position to be in and defend - hence my CCA to them as Uncle Bulgaria suggested initially.

 

It is the matter of contacting Argos themselves that is worrying me as they have not made any contact for many years and I am reluctant to raise their interest now. If Lowell respond with any documentation that gives support to their claim couldn't I then SAR Argos at that point, when I am more aware if Lowell even have the rights to pursue this debt?

 

Thanks again

Link to post
Share on other sites

so..i intend to take my dog for a walk tomorrow

if I do is a totally different matter

 

 

sorry but you appear to be a bit green about understand certain things by the looks of it.

 

 

stuff their deadline,

they are not bailiffs and can do nothing more than you or i could do

that's raise a court claim.

 

 

they have no special powers nowt zilch ...

 

 

argos have sold the debt

go ring 'em

 

 

an sar takes 40 days

a court claim is 33

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

Link to post
Share on other sites

Thank you for your reply.

 

so..i intend to take my dog for a walk tomorrow

if I do is a totally different matter

 

 

sorry but you appear to be a bit green about understand certain things by the looks of it.

 

dx

 

Yes, you are quite correct. I am indeed "a bit green about understanding certain things", That is why I am politely asking questions and seeking advice on this forum.

 

Dibdob

Link to post
Share on other sites

  • Recently Browsing   0 Caggers

    • No registered users viewing this page.

  • Have we helped you ...?


×
×
  • Create New...