Hard Brexit Corbyn of course will be very happy with a Tory Hard Brexiter leading his Brexiter pals.

Save him from blatantly ignoring what the Party wants

- he can just carry on doing a David Davies - nothing but a little obstruction of his own Party here and there

All the DUP voted against both Mays deal and the backstop limitation

For the backstop limitation (a number didn't vote on this):

Interesting that Nicky Morgan did not vote

Mainly nondescript tories voting for

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/ng-interactive/2019/jan/15/how-did-your-mp-vote-on-mays-brexit-deal-meaningful-vote?CMP=snap

Well, May survives a vote of no confidence, and despite my shock, horror and disbelief at the thought - that's a relief

So Where does that leave us? (sic)

May

No referendum, the UK will leave the day before April Fools Day

Wants people to accept compromise, but no compromise on her red lines

Con Party Chaiman (Lewis)

Wants hard brexit to pursue the non-existent or massively poorer UK international trade deals, as do a limited number of mega-wealthy who a low tax, low environmental, workers and peoples rights would benefit enormously (end of empire Hong Hong Britain myth)

- despite everyone else being massively poorer to pay for their excesses

Con Party Members

70%+ brexit at any cost it would seem - but that 20%+ is a problem to the 70%+

DUP

Wants to be the NI ruling arm of a right wing British government that can happily accept abuse of minorities and religious and personal freedoms without interference (IMO)

Corbyn

Wants Hard Brexit - but wants any Brexit off the Table for May

Won't have remain

Wont have a referendum - despite Party and momentum wanting it

Has 6 tests for others deals - that are unachievable by anyone - so wont apply to him

Demands inclusion - then says wont work with them when its offered

Is the voice of the people - as long as its his voice

Is the man of the people - but they better be his people

Wont support ANY Tory deal - but has nothing but a suggestion of a Labour cake and eat it solution

Clearly just wants chaos to give himself a chance at power at any cost to anyone else

Labour Party + PLP

Now would seem to be 70% Remain but thats not a problem to the minority of leavers or Corbyn

The British People

God knows what they want.

So what WAS voted for in the referendum, and what might still be on the table

'VIsions'

1. Cake and eat it Brexit (guesstimate at least 50% of the Brexit vote or more? - it was sold as this)

All the EU benefits, none of the downsides, none of the cost, everybody queuing up to give us great deals - easiest quickest deal in history.

Not going to happen - Never was - Never will

AT LEAST 36% of the whole vote or more are NOT going to get what they voted for

2. Hard Brexit - Rule Brittania (guesstimate at least 10-20% of the Brexit vote)

Britain says up yours to the EU, doesn't pay its bills, sails the British Navy into the Seas loaded with marines and takes back its Empire and whatever it wants. We all become pirate sailors or Sharpe. Arrr Jim Lad. Pieces of eight.

I'm afraid cuts to our Military let alone the opposition of the USA, Russia, China, The EU and NATO and most of the rest of the world really make that simply unrealistic,

... although Russia and China might work with us on bits that are in their interests.

The USA really does NOT want competing Empires (especially us) - thats not changed since WW2 and Suez

3. Hard Brexit v2 - Sweatshop UK (guesstimate 10% of the Brexit vote - but not realising what it actually was)

The UK leaves the EU, Doesn't pay its bills, Reduces Taxs for the mega-wealthy and corporations, Reduces workers rights, environmental rights, food standards, Fracks the countryside away then concretes it over.

A few get even more obscenely rich - everyone else ends up poor and poisoned and living in a rabbit hutch apartment at the whim of the landlord.

A mix of end of Empire Hong Kong and sweat shop China/India

(err how many voted for this? a couple hundred maybe?)

Still very achievable and actually probably still the most likely outcome.

4. Make Britain Great Again

Yes we all feel that some. but what does it mean? what IS actually achievable?

and would that be best served with a lot of partners?

5. Remain (almost half the votes despite many ex-pats not getting the vote and the Leave spin)

It seems we can still keep our existing (nearest a cake and eat it) deal if we revoke article 50

Issues

1. Immigration

Undoubtedly an issue for many,

BUT the UK could have sent non working EU immigrants home (not the same with non EU immigrants

EU immigration has fallen massively - causing massive problems for our health and welfare services and agricultural businesses

Its has been clearly shown that the EU migrants and immigrants actually ADD to our society both monetarily and culturally

2. Cost of EU membership

All clubs have membership costs and Iour membership costs are simply good value if you look at it dispassionately,

and the poorer regions who voted leave actually directly benefit from those EU rebates - rather than it going in tax relief to the rich as the UK government does and would.

3. Take back Control

The world is run on rules and agreements. Even the WTO is and has Rules which we would abide by.

and look at the sort of control our government on all sides isnt showing ...

Seems quite clear to me that whatever else happens, the vast majority of what people voting Brexit voted for - is a lie and IS NOT DELIVERABLE in any circumstances

So if you can't have cake and eat it Brexit and don't want Sweatshop tax haven Britain

- Only REMAIN remains?

It isn't clear if May wants to negotiate does it, as she's already announced that her red lines haven't changed. The ERG must have got to her early on. Caroline Lucas has already said that she [Maybot] wants to talk to other parties but only if they agree with her.

Rather than listening to the other parties, it sounds as if she wants them to think of ways nobody else has thought of to have a good deal from Europe with all the same conditions that she's imposed. A good deal from Europe is impossible as long as she maintains the red lines and demands the same terms as we had before.

Caroline Lucas has already said that she [Maybot] wants to talk to other parties but only if they agree with her.

She has flatly said:

No referendum on the options NOW actually available

Her deal or No deal (and her deal is nothing anyone voted for - and cake and eat it Brexit voted for isnt available)

Britain leaves in March whatever

Her red lines are uncrossable and not for negotiation

Pretty much the same as Corbyn says isnt it?

They don't need to negotiate - they agree already.

Jezza was all in favour of the party deciding policy until he didn't agree with what the majority now think...

Jezza was all in favour of the party deciding policy until he didn't agree with what the majority now think...

To true HB and I think its becoming clearer by the day.

One of tomorrows front pages is:

"One of the most useless governments in history –yet Corbyn can't even lay a glove on a Prime Minister with no Brexit plan who is propped up by the DUP"

... that should of course read won't NOT can't

Don't forget he said that if a vote of no confidence and a following general election wasn't possible, then all options should be on

but now thats happened - its May must take No Deal Brexit off the table before blah blah blah

He's just playing silly *******

Lia Fox "the international trade secretary, has said that other countries are to blame for the fact that the UK does not have alternative trade deals ready by 29 March to replace the existing 40 EU ones that will lapse if the UK leaves without a deal"

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/jan/18/brexit-latest-news-boris-johnson-merkels-probable-successor-and-other-leading-germans-urge-uk-to-change-its-mind-and-stay-politics-live

He seems to think they simply aren't doing enough ...

'Hey enemies of Great Britain - give us a trade deal with everything we want - and why haven't you done it yet?'

' ... and don't forget that free trade deal means we pay nowt - you pay'

As Bulisht Johnson carries on lying about his lying (this time about mass Turk immigration)

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jan/18/boris-johnson-falsely-denies-issuing-turkey-warning-in-brexit-campaign

Oh dear...

Well clearly it can't be Liam and the Brexiters' fault, can it?

I like the irony of Boris's remarks about Turks when his father's side of the family was, err, Turkish. He was on the BBC's Who do you think you are?

Boris must be so knackered posting All theses posts

I hope it's going to be applied soon.

What's going to be applied, Kippiis?

Tories gearing up for a Gen Elec is being spoken of

Looks like the International No-Trade Secretary needs some tutoring on contract law.

Lia Faux:

“Parliament has not got the right to hijack the Brexit process because parliament said to the people of this country: ‘We make a contract with you, you will make the decision and we will honour it’,” he told the BBC’s Andrew Marr Show.

So Faux, Davies, Johnson and Gove:

Where is this easiest deal in history all the benefits none of the costs Brexit, queued up international deals bigger than the EU - which you promised as your half of the contract?

Non delivery?

Missold goods?

Breach of Contract?

All of the above?

We want our money back.

Against a background of heafty cross party UK parliamentary support (and EU deal requirements) for workers and environmental protections:

Brexit backing Dyson announces move of Head Office from UK to Singapore

“The move is nothing to do with Brexit or tax, it’s about making sure we are future proofed.”

"But Sir James has made no secret of his desire for a scrapping of corporation tax – which is slightly lower in Singapore than the UK, at 17% and 19% respectively."

"made huge a increase in profits after shifting production of his vacuum cleaners to Malaysia from the UK in 2003, also wants it to be easier to hire and fire workers, arguing in 2017 that “not being able to flex your workforce is another big reason why you wouldn’t start or expand a manufacturing business”

Defines what Brexit means to the powerful Brexiters doesn't it

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/sir-james-dyson-brexit-vision_uk_5c47434be4b0bfa693c7a5ed?pp&utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage

As Brexit-Backing Tory MP Daniel Kawczynski asks Poland To Veto Article 50 Extension

"Leaver MP lobbies a foreign power to undermine the stated will of the British parliament. Brexit's logical end point."

"One shouldn't throw the word "treason" around. But isn't lobbying a foreign power to subvert the decisions of parliament close to treasonable?"

"lobbying a foreign power to block the British Parliament from working in the national interest? Tell me with a straight face you care about parliamentary sovereignty"

https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/entry/daniel-kawczynski-brexit-article-50-poland_uk_5c47503fe4b027c3bbc5fbd4?utm_hp_ref=uk-homepage

Whats really happening at the moment?

May is corralling the Tory party into supporting her deal on a rerun, including the Brexiters

Whats changed?

With Corbyn 'indicating' he is against any 'no deal', Mays deal is now the best option to get a Tory managed hard Brexit.

All the Brexiters need to do is support Mays deal and then put some kybosh on the Backstop or renege on some sort of the deal over the next 2 years and they still get their hard Brexit crash out.

Likely to suit Corbyn as he will just get to do nothing but carry on with his feeble grandstanding with no chance of an election, no responsibility and not have to carry out the wishes of the party.

Very little effort on his part needed to ensure the Brexiters plans work.

May is refusing to take Hard Brexit off the table

Corbyn is having to say 'take hard Brexit off the table' despite only having his 'cake and eat it' fantasy option.

Depends on how many Tories will rebel against the 3 line whip, and all Corbyn has to do is allow a 'free vote' (this time despite all the prior whipping to prevent votes against Brexit) knowing there are likely enough Brexiter Labour MP's to nullify the Tory rebels.

The voting on the amendments might give further insights.

It must be getting clearer to everyone what a complete disaster hard Brexit will be for the UK and the Union

It must also be getting very clear that ALL other deals are vastly inferior to the one we have

Again the reminder of what people voted on

1. Cake and eat it Brexit, all the benefits, non of the costs, plus load of other international deals, easiest deal in history

vs

2. Remain

Well the Brexit as sold and voted on in the referendum - NEVER WAS and NEVER IS going to happen in ANY circumstances.

That's amazing behaviour by the MP for Shrewsbury. A few commentators noted the irony of wanting to leave the EU and then asking another country to try to block our government. The Poles don't sound very keen to do that from what I've read.

My favourite quote on what isn't a very edifying day is. 'May's Plan B is just Plan A with a lick of paint.' Rafael Behr in the Guardian.

That's amazing behaviour by the MP for Shrewsbury. A few commentators noted the irony of wanting to leave the EU and then asking another country to try to block our government. The Poles don't sound very keen to do that from what I've read.

 

My favourite quote on what isn't a very edifying day is. 'May's Plan B is just Plan A with a lick of paint.' Rafael Behr in the Guardian.

To true HB

But May only needed to get the Hard Brexiters on board for her deal on a revote, and who would have thought it was possible after that massive rejection - yet Corbyn has handed them that possibility with his very limited and wishy washy announcement

I still think there will be enough Tory rebels - it all depends on Labours votes.

Strange that its Tory infighting that got us into this, and it may take the same to get us out of it.

Also interesting that some of the proposals to reject the lie that is Brexit - actually potentially do 'return power to Parliament' - out of the hands and reducing the power of the Government Minsters and Cabinet

May, Duncan Smith and suchlike are up in arms about that, but it sounds good to me.

One of the Brexit lies, possibly turned into a valuable truth by those who realise and don't want the country damaged by the nationalist radicals and self serving mega rich Brexit Crew.

Jeremy Corbyn wrong about EU state aid restrictions, says IPPR

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/business/news/brexit-state-aid-jeremy-corbyn-eu-ippr-railways-labour-a8741051.html

https://www.ippr.org/research/publications/state-aid-rules-and-brexit

"

“While the UK has 16 state-owned enterprises, this is relatively low compared to other member states,” the IPPR notes.

“France has 51 state-owned enterprises, Germany has 71 state-owned enterprises, and Poland has 126 state-owned enterprises.”

"

"Legal analysis backs up the IPPR’s conclusion.

George Peretz QC has written that: “Though Lexiters [left-wing Brexiteers] complain that the state aid rules could be an obstacle to a Labour government, in my experience they never get beyond abstractions about the ‘neoliberal’ nature of those rules to actually set out the policies that a Labour government may want to implement"

and Really Smug adds to the right wing requests to the Polish government to block the UK's parliament

by saying May should shut down parliament to stop them doing things he doesn't like

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/live/2019/jan/23/brexit-latest-news-developments-pmqs-may-corbyn-wont-be-able-to-use-vote-next-week-to-stop-no-deal-liam-fox-claims-politics-live?page=with:block-5c4871d3e4b051f53796678c#block-5c4871d3e4b051f53796678c

"

Rees-Mogg says government should if necessary prorogue parliament to stop Yvette Cooper’s bill to block a no-deal Brexit.

Proroguing is what happens to parliament at the end of a session. It is not the same as dissolving parliament (which is what happens before a general election), but it would involve closing parliament "

They seem quite keen to bulldoze through what they want without due democratic process, don't they?

They didn't want the 'meaningful vote' either.

Shape of things to come if the far right or far left get their way

Even after the latest antics of the brexiters, this one has quite surprised me.

We know that the Brexit Crew have been stating (quite falsely) that WTO rules trading is no problem

It is a problem as we are

* not simply guaranteed WTO trade rules - its a club, with rules (some the brexiters seem to think they can flout) and some don't want us - Just like the EEA doesn't

* Even if we are admitted - its far far worse than the deals we have even including the fantasy deals touted

* It doesn't address the Irish border/Belfast agreement/good friday agreement issues.

BUT

It actually worse than that

The brexiters seem to be touting that a WTO rule which ALLOWS continued trading on existing terms for up to a decade while a new deal is agreed can be enforced in the event of a no deal Brexit to FORCE the EU to continue trading under the existing rules until a new deal (if ever) is agreed.

I dont know whether to laugh or cry

Total fantasy - just like cake and eat it.

All the many many other things aside, they seem to be missing the point that continuing on existing terms means exactly that - paying the EU and abiding by EU rules etc etc as is the case now ... not just the bits they do or dont want ...

... which is hard brexit but with an up to 10 year transition as a member state with all the responsibilities etc ......

Of course the Brexiters claim they can just get the goodies with none of the costs through it.

Well, it takes two to agree it Brexit boys ... Just like the original cake and eat it deal promised.

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-wto/trade-experts-dismiss-brexiteers-faith-in-obscure-wto-clause-idUKKCN1PH24V

So the Brexiters

Hate these foreigners interfering in UK sovereignty - but want Poland to veto UK parliamentary decisions

Want to return power to parliament - but want Parliament closed to prevent it

Hate the EU and want out - but want to force them to continue trading under the existing terms

Are the voice of the people - but definitely dont want to hear anything else from them

Are a minority - but think they should be treated as if only their opinion counts