specialist? ummmmmmmmmmm must be new thing meaning somebody know what they are doingNoooooooooo

which sounds a bit scary (ie two big blokes booting my door in and taking my TV type scary). been watching Monty Python have you?

They can't ignore

They are not bailiff

If you read what you have written you will see that it is all meaningless guff. "final letter before debt recovery".

That means they are going to stop writing to you.

"Action from debt recovery specialists".

That means some other muppet is going to write to you.

This is all they can do because there is no debt.

Read any number of parking thread or even debt recovery threads and you will be educated about their deceptions.

You are one of thousands who get this sort of letter and they rely on a number of the recipients weeing their pants and sending the cheque off or they go out of business.

No-one ever asks the question should they be in business in the first place.

If no-on epaid them then the people owning the land would have to use their brains for once.

Hi,

 

I was hoping this would just go away after my letter telling them to bog off but following on from the above thread this "final reminder before debt recovery" letter has arrived and threatens action from "debt recovery specialists" if I don't pay £60 within 28days which sounds a bit scary (ie two big blokes booting my door in and taking my TV type scary).

 

What is my next action?

 

Ah thanks that is very reassuring. So easy to be frightened into being extorted.

Hi, I am updating this thread as the situation develops so others can see all the stages as the letters all seem very official and scary.

This is the letter I received from Debt Recovery Plus LTD.

As advised I am just going to ignore it.

I'll post any next steps they take here unless they are just repeats of the same or similar letters.

have you tried reading up on DR+.

there are HUNDREDS of threads about them and they all say the same

- they are just rentamouths and can do nothing at all, ever.

I have recently read one of Ethical Parking's contracts,

they are hopeless as the contract is for management, not entering into consumer contracts or taking action to recover monies in the own name.

They cannot ever win a court claim that mentions this as they have no right to call a debt theirs.

Thanks, that's great news and very reassuring.

Thanks again for your help with this.

Hi, This is an update from a previous thread: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?468957-Ethical-Parking-Contractual-Breach-Charge-Shoreham-airport

Some 7 months later I have now received a letter from Gladstones solicitors (attached).

Do I need to reply to this or should I wait at this stage?

I can see from the advice on this thread:

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?465231-Received-a-Court-Claim-From-A-Private-parking-Speculative-invoice-How-To-Deal-With-It-HERE***Updated-Aug-2016

that I have a 33days deadline from the "court claim form"...but is this that form?

Thanks and sorry if this seems thick but do not want to mess this up.

Gladstones.pdf

Well, this is just another threatogram from the owners of the IPC who are the discredited trade association that Ethical belong to.

The letter contains a number of points that leap out at me, firstly they make great play about the Beavis decision yet this is mostly about the POFA and their clients dont rely on it so half of it wouldnt be relevant.

Secondly, they tell you to pay £160 when the contractual sum was £100 so they have added unlawful charges to the amount, not only a breach of civil law but also a breach of the consumer credit act and the consumer contracts regulations.

lastly they tell you to pay DRP, an unlicenced dca and not "the creditor".

Again that causes them problems because DRP is not their client and thus the debt wouldnt be settled if you did pay them leaving you still owing the money to ethical

. Now incitement or conspiracy to commit fraud is also an offence but I'm sure that this doesnt apply to the world's greatest legal minds, Will and John as no other law seems to apply to them according to their outpourings.

Thus is usually one step short of a lba so if you feel like responding something like

"dear sirs, I cant imagine why you think I owe a fantasy amount of £160 for anything to anyone, let alone a company who is unlicenced by the FCA for credit agreements so cant lawfully touch the money in the first place.

Any debt to Ethical Parking is likewise denied for a number of reasons but first on that list is they have not created a keeper liability in this matter and despite being a member of that second rate Trade Association the IPC, the law still applies to them so they will lose a claim via the civil courts.

As you mismanage every claim you process on behalf of the IPC's gullible members a full costs recovery order and damages for the breach of the DPA will be sought should they be daft enough to listen to your advice"

I do not believe that being polite will get you anywhere and if you send a copy of this letter to Ethical they will be well aware that you are not a waverer in the face of a letterheaded taradiddle

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Haha, brilliant! Not sure I've got the stones to send that though EB! Am I OK to draft an "abbreviated" version and see what you think before I send it? And do I send one copy to Gladstone and another copy to Ethical you mean?

ok, here is a slightly tamer version, please would you confirm it's ok to send as I don't want to inadvertently phrase anything incorrectly. And do I send just to gladstones or two separate letters- one each to both gladstones and ethical? Thanks again!

Dear Sirs,

I can't imagine why you would think I owe a fantasy amount of £160 for anything to anyone, let alone to a company who is unlicensed by the FCA for credit agreements and so can't lawfully touch the money in the first place.

Any debt to Ethical Parking is likewise denied for a number of reasons but first on that list is they have not created a keeper liability in this matter and despite what the members of the IPC seem to think, the law still applies to them so they will lose a claim via the civil courts.

Now stop bothering me and wasting both of our time. If you persist a full costs recovery order and damages for the breach of the DPA will be sought.

You send it to Gladstones . Personally I would have sent EBs version but yours will do. They may well press on since whatever the result they will still get paid should it end up in Court.

It seems hard to believe but Gladstones may be even more unethical than the Parking company.

no you dont send a tamer version, that is the whole point of the letter.

They are not honest so you let thyem have it with both barrels.

Several people have got a N1 claim form because they were nice in their replies to Gladdys when telling tehm you know they are rubbish and misleading they clients fro their own ends (copied to client) would have probably made the difference.

Dont forget, this is part of your evidnce should they want to continue and it helps show they are being unreasonable in their conduct.

ok, here is a slightly tamer version, please would you confirm it's ok to send as I don't want to inadvertently phrase anything incorrectly. And do I send just to gladstones or two separate letters- one each to both gladstones and ethical? Thanks again!

 

Dear Sirs,

 

I can't imagine why you would think I owe a fantasy amount of £160 for anything to anyone, let alone to a company who is unlicensed by the FCA for credit agreements and so can't lawfully touch the money in the first place.

 

Any debt to Ethical Parking is likewise denied for a number of reasons but first on that list is they have not created a keeper liability in this matter and despite what the members of the IPC seem to think, the law still applies to them so they will lose a claim via the civil courts.

 

Now stop bothering me and wasting both of our time. If you persist a full costs recovery order and damages for the breach of the DPA will be sought.

OK. Thanks for the clarification. Will send original as is. It's exactly the letter I would want to send anyway!

Hi, Summer 2016 I started this thread for help with a parking fine:

https://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?468957-Ethical-Parking-Contractual-Breach-Charge-Shoreham-airport

I followed excellent advice but wanted to update as I just received this threatening letter yesterday, nearly 2yrs later!

Should I just ignore it or should I reply in any way? Might they still take me to court? Is it still even reasonable to do so so long afterwards? Many thanks for any help with standing up to these persistent b**t*rds!

Where does it say FINE please?

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Yep, sorry, thought if I put on old thread wouldn't be seen.

I said fine, just layman's terms.

then go tell layman to get their finger out and understand things properly

it is NOT A FINE and never can be.

Ignore the clowns, sending out silly letters wasting trees....

I note that they say it may be pursued at considerable cost- yes, to them. tyhey should have started saving money by not writing but as nothing has changed the advice is still ti ignore anything a dca says for all of the reasons given before

So you told unethical no keeper liability, drp tried it on for £136 then Gladys tried for £160 and you told them where to go.

2 years later drp have a memory lapse and get their cross dressing office person to send a zzps letter asking for £130.

What a tangled web they try to weave.

I've been ignoring drp for about 2 years so do the same.

Oh that's great news, a real load off. As soon as they mention court I cack myself! Thanks again for the invaluable help and reassurance.

Uhoh, I just received this letter from a solicitors today.

Does this change things or is it still OK to ignore?

Lots of threats about the repercussions of doing so.

It seems like they're really pursuing this.

They're looking to obtain a County Court Judgement.

Do I need to get ready for court?

Thanks again for any help.