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    • it is NOT A FINE.....this is an extremely important point to understand no-one bar a magistrate in a magistrates criminal court can ever fine anyone for anything. Private Parking Tickets (speculative invoices) are NOT a criminal matter, merely a speculative contractual Civil matter hence they can only try a speculative monetary claim via the civil county court system (which is no more a legal powers matter than what any member of Joe Public can do). Until/unless they do raise a county court claim a CCJ and win, there are not ANY enforcement powers they can undertake other than using a DCA, whom are legally powerless and are not BAILIFFS. Penalty Charge Notices issued by local authorities etc were decriminalised years ago - meaning they no longer can progress a claim to the magistrates court to enforce, but go directly to legal enforcement via a real BAILIFF themselves. 10'000 of people waste £m's paying private parking companies because they think they are FINES...and the media do not help either. the more people read the above the less income this shark industry get. where your post said fine it now says charge .............. please fill out the Q&A ASAP. dx  
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    • good you are getting there. Lloyds/TSb...i certainly would not be risking possible off-setting going on if a choice were there, but in all honestly thats obv too late now..., however..you might not never be in that situation so dont worry too much. regardless to being defaulted or not, if any debt that is not paid/used in 6yrs it becomes statute barred. you need to understand a couple of things like 'default' and 'default notice' a default is simply a recorded D in the calendar section/history of a debt, it does not really mean anything. might slightly hit your rating. the important thing here is a default notice , these are issued by the original creditor (OC) under the consumer credit act, it gives you 14 days to settle whatever they are asking, if you don't then they have the option to register a defaulted date on your credit file. that can make getting other credit more difficult. and hits your rating. once that happens, not matter what you do after that, paying it or not or not paid off or not, the whole account vanishes from your credit file on the DN's 6th b'day. though that might not necessarily mean the debt is not still owed - thats down to the SB date above. an OC very rarely does court and only the OWNER of a debt can instigate any court action (Attempted a CCJ) DCA's debt collection agencies - DCA's are NOT BAILIFFS they have ZERO legal powers on ANY debt - no matter what it's TYPE. an OC make pass a debt to a dca as their client to try and spoof people into paying through legal ignorance of the above statement. an OC may SELL on an old debt to a DCA/debt buyer (approx 10p=£1) and then claim their losses through tax write off and their business insurance, wiping their hands of the debt. the DCA then becomes the debt OWNER. since the late 70's dca's pull all kinds of 'stunts' through threat-o-grams to spoof a debtor into paying them the full value of the debt, when they bought if for a discounted sum (typically 10p=£1). you never pay a dca a penny! if read carefully, NONE of their letters nor those of any other 'trading names' they spoof themselves under making it seem it's going up some kind of legitimate legal 'chain' say WILL anything....just carefully worded letters with all kinds of threats of what could/might/poss happen with other such words as instruct forward pass... well my dog does not sit when instructed too...so... DCA's SOMETIMES will issue a court claim, but in all honesty its simply a speculative claim hoping mugs wet themselves and cough up...oh im going to court... BIG DEAL DCA - show me the enforceable paperwork signed by me...9/10 they dont have it and if your defence is conducted properly, most run away from you . however before they do all that they now have to send a letter of claim, cause the courts got fed up with them issuing +750'000PA speculative claims and jamming up the legal system. so bottom line is two conclusions.... if you cant pay a debt, get a DN issued ASAP (stop paying it!) make sure it gets registered on your file then it stops hurting your file/future credit in 6yrs regardless to what happens (bar of course a later DCA CCJ - fat chance mind!)  once you've a registered DN , then look into restarting payments if the debt is still owed by the OC, if SOLD to a DCA, don't pay - see if they issue a letter of claim (then comeback here!).        
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Hi everybody!

 

I am having ongoing problems with ATL.

 

I signed up for my electrical training course on the 25/10/2013.

i have had numerous problems such as website, logging in, software and minimal support

i passed all 11 modules but could not get passed the pre attendance exam. (the exam you need to pass before you can start practical training)

 

after failing the first time i thought maybe its me being stupid

i sat the test again only to fail once more!

 

i spoke to my uncle and cousin who are qualified electricians they could not understand how i had failed with the answers i had selected.

 

i sent ATL a letter stating i wanted to cancel the course and a full refund as i had been mis-sold and the course was not fit for purpose.

the training section phoned me back with troubleshooting methods for the software (which did NOT work)

 

i was told that the pre attendance exam was NOT compulsory. so why have to do it in the first place? i told them i still wanted to cancel course etc. as i saw the company on don't get done get dom. Also when i decided to do the course they have falsely advertised governing bodies etc

 

i went to citizens advice and sent various letters to ATL practical training LTD and Career Development Finance LTD (who are jointly liable)

 

I then contacted the financial ombudsman who did an investigation and the companies offered to cancel the course

and finance agreement and keeps all monies i have paid.

ATL also asked for all books back which i found amusing!

 

i am now thinking of taking them to court.

The price of the course was £5770 i have so far paid £3000. (£135 a month)

 

Has anyone else got this far or had any results?

 

HAS ANYBODY ACTUALLY BEEN ON THE PRACTICAL SIDE OF THE COURSE

AND HAS ANYONE ACTUALLY COMPLETED ANY COURSES???

 

Thanks in advance

 

 

Danny.

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please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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so what was the actual recommendations of the FOS?

 

 

and why did they not rule you money be returned if the loan agreement was cancelled?

is that what the FOS ruled?

 

 

dx

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Hi dx100uk,

 

Did FOS rule in your favour?

was your case the same as mine?

 

the FOS haven't come back with their verdict yet.

 

but that's what ATL and CDF came up with as i started a part 75 claim.

 

however if FOS don't rule in my favour i will be taking court action!

 

I contacted dom.

But unfortunately new series has started so they are not taking on cases due to the high volume of people having consumer problems.

I am also in the process of contacting watchdog.

 

Danny.

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didn't say I had an issue with them...

 

what do you mean by a part 75 claim?

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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  • 4 months later...

i passed the pre attendance test in one seating....and guess what?

more books I am on the 35th assignment now...5 more to go...will see if they are a [problem] planning to finish it ASAP...

 

I am having problems with their scenario CD... installed all required software, bought an i7 with a massive RAM and graphics than can be used for video editing still it does not run...

 

they told a friend of mine who is also with atl that they wont require the scenario test....

 

the scenario is freaking crap....low graphics and low quality...

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  • 5 months later...

I am in the same boat

 

what is needed is evidence that they are connected to the Skilltrain [problem] and part of Metropolitan International schools.

 

Consumer protection from unfair trading 2008 section 5 and 7 are the laws they have broken.

 

I am going to claim through County Court like the skill train guy Rob Auger did.

 

I am sure they are connected.

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ATL practical Training have ripped me off too.

 

I was signed on to the Renewable Energy Course and have been paying £135 a month.

I paid £5770 in total

 

after i paid my final monthly payment (and 90% of the way through the course) they tell me the course has expired!

 

I really dont know what to do now.

The 'salesman' who signed me on to the course told me I would have to complete Level 2 Plumbing and some Level 3 plumbing units before I could do the renewable energy side of things.

He told me most students finish the course in 4 years.

 

I signed up.

I was 3 years and 2 months into the course,

had just made my final payment,

and had just finished the level 2 and level 3 plumbing units

(i was literally about to start the the renewable side of things)

 

when i called to book the practical training I was told that the course had expired and it was up to ATL's discretion whether to allow me to finish.

Which they wouldn't.

I told them that to my understanding I was on track to completing.

 

they said in the small print it says the course is 36 months.

They didnt even send me a letter to let me know.

 

I am devastated that I've been stitched up by these crooks.

 

After reading some of these threads it seems that ATL might be struggling to facilitate the Renewable Energy part of the course.

Which would explain why they suddenly told me I was out of time.

It would also explain why there were so many delay tactics when trying to progress through the modules.

 

Does anyone have any advice?

I have contacted the FOS but they said if it is in the small print I probably cant do anything.

 

surely as they have been so misleading and fraudulently selling a course that they cant deliver accounts for something?

Has anyone successfully got their money back off of these ATL crooks??

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