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    • The incident was 03rd March 2024 - and that was the only letter that I have received from MET 15th April 2024 The charge I paid was at the Stansted Airport exit gate (No real relevance now - I thought this charge was for that!!).   Here is the content of email to them (Yes I know I said I was the driver !!!!) as said above -  I thought this charge was for that!! "Stansted Airport" Dear “To whom it may concern” My name is ??  PCN:  ?? Veh Reg: Date of Incident: 03rd March 2024 I have just received a parking charge final reminder letter, dated 10th April 2024 - for an overstay.  This is the first to my knowledge of any overstay. I am aware that I am out of the 28 days, I don’t mean to be rude, this feels like it is a scam My movements on this day in question are, I pulled into what looked like a service station on my way to pick my daughter and family up from Stansted airport. The reason for me pulling into this area was to use a toilet, so I found Starbucks, and when into there, after the above, I then purchased a coffee. After which I then continued with my journey to pick my daughter up. (however after I sent this email I remember that Starbucks was closed so I then I walked over to Macdonalds) There was no signs about parking or any tickets machines to explains about the parking rules. Once at Stansted, I entered and then paid on exit.  So Im not show where I overstayed my welcome.. With gratitude    
    • Just to enlarge on Dave's great rundown of your case under Penalty. In the oft quoted case often seen on PCNs,  viz PE v Beavis while to Judges said there was a case for claiming that £100 was a penalty, this was overruled in this case because PE had a legitimate interest in keeping the car park free for other motorists which outweighed the penalty. Here there is no legitimate interest since the premises were closed. Therefore the charge is a penalty and the case should be thrown out for that reason alone.   The Appeals dept need informing about what and what isn't a valid PCN. Dummies. You should also mention that you were unable to pay by Iphone as there was no internet connection and there was a long  queue to pay on a very busy day . There was no facility for us to pay from the time of our arrival only the time from when we paid at the machine so we felt that was a bit of a scam since we were not parked until we paid. On top of that we had two children to load and unload in the car which should be taken into account since Consideration periods and Grace periods are minimum time. If you weren't the driver and PoFA isn't compliant you are off scot free since only the driver is liable and they are saying it was you. 
    • Thank you dx. I consider myself well and truly told :) x Thank you dx. I consider myself well and truly told :) x
    • Doubt the uneconomic write off would be registered, unless you agreed to accept write off settlement of the claim. It is just cosmetic damage. All that has happened, is that the car has been looked at and they realised the repair costs are going to exceed the value of the car. If the car is perfectly driveable with no upcoming normal work required to pass next MOT, your current Insurers will continue Insurance and you can accept an amount from third party Insurers to go towards you repairing the scratched bodywork.    
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      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

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Having been contacted several times of late asking for help there appears to be a lot of confusion over what Form to use, what application you make and where to send it once complete. Before going too much further can we establish that actions which originate in the High Court have all their applications made to the High Court. The confusion seems to arise for County Court Judgments (CCJ) that are either transferred up to the High Court for enforcement or enforced by the County Court Bailiff (CCB).

 

Stay of Execution

Form N244

If visited by a High Court Enforcement Officer (HCEO) you may be able to apply for a Stay of Execution against the Writ he has. You do need grounds to be able to do so and each case has to be treated on its own merits. It is no good just applying for a Stay just because someone says you should. If making this application it can be posted to the High Court in London or sent to a County Court that also acts as a District Registry of the High Court. If the application is urgent then it should be taken in person and ask for an urgent response. You must enclose the appropriate Court fee with the application unless you are entitled to have it waived in full or part - see below for further details.

 

The Stay may be granted on an interim basis pending a full Hearing at a later date.

 

Please note that if a CCJ is transferred up to the High Court it is for enforcement only and all other matters remain the jurisdiction of the County Court.

Set Aside

Form N244

If applying for Set Aside for a CCJ then this Form must be sent to the County Court where it was originally made or the last County Court listed if other representations have been made. You need to have a good reason to succeed with this, just because you did not receive the original documentation is not enough unless you can also prove the original would have failed. Again the Court fee must accompany the application unless you are entitled to have it waived in full or part - see below for further details.

 

Suspend the Warrant and/or

Variation Order

Form N245

If visited by the CCB you can apply on this Form to Suspend the Warrant of Control he has. In. with this or as a stand alone application you can also apply to pay your Judgment in affordable instalments - providing you can show why you cannot afford to pay it all at once & your I&E you submit shows no extravagant expenditure. You may apply to have you payment more than once if you have a change of circumstances but also note the Claimant may also apply to have the Judgment varied as well. The application needs to be sent to the Court where the CCJ was last dealt with. Again the Court fee must accompany the application unless you are entitled to have it waived in full or part - see below for further details.

Application for Fee Remission

Form EX160a & EX160c

You will need this if you feel you cannot afford to pay the Court Fees and may be granted Remission in full or part. You must supply the proof required with your application & if making more than 1 application then proof muct be sent with each.

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Another point noting is that of the forms used.

 

The title of a Form gives a good clue to its use. For instance Form N245 clearly states it is an "Application for suspension of a Warrant and/or Variation of an Order" - the Warrant is the Warrant of Control issued to the County Court Bailiff usually when chasing debts that are under £600 or governed by the CCA, & making an application to vary the terms of a previously made Order - you simply tick which part you want or both if need be - this Form is not used to apply for a Stay of Execution.

 

Applying the same thought for a Stay of Execution or Set Aside shows there is no relevant Form and this is why Form N244 is used as it is a general Application Notice for any matter not listed separately. This one of the reasons why the fee charged is a lot more as it can cover quite a broad spectrum and every application made is different.

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