No Ticket Displayed

9th Feb Ticket issued 19:nn ( car seen 19:nn ) .

Car Park Charges cease at 20:00

and the driver ( not me ) did not buy a ticket.

( I removed the minutes to reduce chances of SIP tracing me if they look on here )

I ( as registered keeper ) have received a NOTICE TO OWNER ( NTO ) but my name has been mis-spelt.

Like most people I have read lots of information on this but am unsure what to do.

The current demand is for £100 , with possible referral to debt collection agency after 28 days ( 9 days to go ).

Has anyone got experience of this company and their likely course of action?

Company uses SIP , SIP Parking Limited , Stop Illegal Parking as it's name and appears to be registered with BPA as they got address from DVLA.

Is it better to respond? ( and if so how ) or merely to ignore ?

If I ignore is it likely to go to court ?

and then what fees am I likely to incur.

Any advice / help welcome please.

Best to ignore them. If they write again and have misspelt your name again-return the envelope marked "not known at this address".

As you were not the driver, you could reply and say that and point out that therefore you are not responsible for the debt and no further correspondence will be entered into. End of.

Doubtless they will continue to write. They won't take you to Court since their fee for not paying less than an hour for parking is totally over the top and would not be accepted as reasonable in Court.

After several letters they give up.

Do they tend to sell the debt to a debt collector do you know ? ( I think debt collectors only buy debts they think they stand a good chance of recovering )

ignore its a speculative invoice

it is not a fine.

there is NO DEBT.

dx

They don't sell the debt to a Debt Collector, they pass it on to the next desk where a script merchant sits who contacts you and tells you that they will take your house/children/grannie away if you don't cough up.

All cobblers and worthy of note that so called Debt Collectors have absolutely no powers at all, never converse with them other than to say 'Any alleged debt is denied, refer back to your client, do not contact me again'

Best to ignore them. If they write again and have misspelt your name again-return the envelope marked "not known at this address".

 

As you were not the driver, you could reply and say that and point out that therefore you are not responsible for the debt and no further correspondence will be entered into. End of.

 

Doubtless they will continue to write. They won't take you to Court since their fee for not paying less than an hour for parking is totally over the top and would not be accepted as reasonable in Court.

After several letters they give up.

Update : They don't give up :

what happens is they keep on sending letters

and if you do engage with them the letters you send to them they do not respond to.

In Summary ,

Go to POPLA ( I didn't do this and should have done ) but

now I have a County Court Claim that I am in the process of responding to

: If I don't respond I will lose .

There is a lot of information out there :

too much for the average human being to take in

but if you sift trough it you can get an idea of what you should do

and then post your position up , with any evidences

( removing anything which can identify you as the cp firms do follow these forums )

and use what information you are given.

the same info is available here

dx

Update : They don't give up :

what happens is they keep on sending letters

and if you do engage with them the letters you send to them they do not respond to.

 

On othersites there is more detailed advice as to what to do , but in Summary ,

Go to POPLA ( I didn't do this and should have done ) but

 

now I have a County Court Claim that I am in the process of responding to

: If I don't respond I will lose .

 

my advice to anyone else reading this is to go to elsewhere

There is a lot of information out there :

too much for the average human being to take in

but if you sift trough it you can get an idea of what you should do

and then post your position up , with any evidences

( removing anything which can identify you as the cp firms do follow these forums )

and use what information you are given.

Post the claim details but with all personal information removed, it is very likely that the correct defence entered correctly will bat it off before it even gets to court (PPC withdraw)

If you don't post we can't help and please do not advise others to seek advice elsewhere, there are many forums with advice available and this forum has good track record of assisting people with these unenforceable invoices

Everybody is free to go anywhere for advice but slagging off the help on here after a single experience and only 3 posts is not on and could be considered scaremongering by a PPC trawling these forums as we know they do

Post the claim details but with all personal information removed, it is very likely that the correct defence entered correctly will bat it off before it even gets to court (PPC withdraw)

 

If you don't post we can't help and please do not advise others to seek advice elsewhere, there are many forums with advice available and this forum has good track record of assisting people with these unenforceable invoices

 

Everybody is free to go anywhere for advice but slagging off the help on here after a single experience and only 3 posts is not on and could be considered scaremongering by a PPC trawling these forums as we know they do

I edited what I put up following your feedback :

First document is non conformant LBA sent while I was on holiday and below are the Particulars of Claim on the claim form.

If anyone who can provide assistance wants any more info then let me know.

set your default scan page size to A4 less than 300DPI [150 will do]

scan the required letters/agreements/sheets - as a picture[jpg] file

don't forget you can use a mobile phone or a digital camera too!!

'

BUT......

ENSURE: remove all pers info inc. barcodes etc using paint program

but leave all monetary figures and dates.

*********************************************************

{DO NOT USE A BIRO OR PEN OR USE SEE THRU TAPE OR LABELS]

try www.pdfescape.com TO BLANK STUFF,

*************************************************************

or

DO IT IN MSPAINT.EXE or any photo editing program

goto one of the many free online pdf converter websites ...

http://freejpgtopdf.com/

..

if you have multiple scans/pics

put them in a word doc FIRST and convert that to PDF

or use www.pdfmerge.com

convert existing PC files to PDF [office has an installable print to PDF option]

..

it would be better to upload a multipage pdf if

you have many images too rather than many single pdfs

.

or if you have PDF as an installed printer drive use that

or use word and save as pdf

try and logically name your file so people know what it is.

though dont use full bank names or CAG in the title

i'e Default notice dd-mm-yyyy TSB

.

open a new msg box here

hit go advanced below the msg box

hit manage attachments below that box

hit the add files button on the top right

hit select files, navigate to your file on your pc

hit upload files

.

dx

Unfortunately the scans are not legible, have a look in the stickies section while you sort your scans out and read the defence that needs to be entered.

When you get the scans up make sure it's the whole document with the court no and personal info blocked out

Firstly if your advice is to go elsewhere please feel free but you need to help yourself a bit...

I think you will win this very easily, unfortunately I do not know enough about the circumstances and whether or not SIP provide a service or actually own the land....and what sort of car park it was.

I note they use the words "Internet Forums" as a part of their evidence.....Trust me that wont wash with any judge...just trust me..And where on any of these posts do you mention the PCN Number as stated on the claim form because I cannot see it

Just because they mention POFA does not necessarily mean the RK will end up coughing up....the onus is on them to prove liability.

The penalty clause is always a good line of defence if presented correct

What happened to the debt collectors they threatened ????

Did you get a letter before claim and did it comply with the practice direction ?? because the one you have posted up simply says "Final Notice"

You can also ask the court to strike out the claim and provide a serviceable name and address of the driver and reset the popla clock or call the driver as your witness.....

Just lately in the last 12 months there has been an influx of knob ppcs setting up bogus accounts and inventing scenario's to try and gather information and discredit this site so when you are asked to provide information for the benefit of yourself, please provide it (Except identifiable details of course.)

.....

Hopefully these are more legible - they aren't great : I can send by email at higher resolution if you PM me

set your default scan page size to A4 less than 300DPI [150 will do]

scan the required letters/agreements/sheets - as a picture[jpg] file

don't forget you can use a mobile phone or a digital camera too!!

'

BUT......

ENSURE: remove all pers info inc. barcodes etc using paint program

but leave all monetary figures and dates.

*********************************************************

{DO NOT USE A BIRO OR PEN OR USE SEE THRU TAPE OR LABELS]

try www.pdfescape.com TO BLANK STUFF,

*************************************************************

or

DO IT IN MSPAINT.EXE or any photo editing program

goto one of the many free online pdf converter websites ...

http://freejpgtopdf.com/

..

if you have multiple scans/pics

put them in a word doc FIRST and convert that to PDF

or use www.pdfmerge.com

convert existing PC files to PDF [office has an installable print to PDF option]

..

it would be better to upload a multipage pdf if

you have many images too rather than many single pdfs

.

or if you have PDF as an installed printer drive use that

or use word and save as pdf

try and logically name your file so people know what it is.

though dont use full bank names or CAG in the title

i'e Default notice dd-mm-yyyy TSB

.

open a new msg box here

hit go advanced below the msg box

hit manage attachments below that box

hit the add files button on the top right

hit select files, navigate to your file on your pc

hit upload files

.

dx

No Ticket Displayed

 

9th Feb Ticket issued

 

Any advice / help welcome please.

So what date did you get the Notice to Keeper ?

Ignore that question just noticed that a 'valid Notice to Owner' was sent on 10/05/ ......... maybe it was but they wont be able to use PoFA to claim payment from the registered keeper. 28 days after the ticket is issued they then have a further 28 days to inform the keeper of his/her liability. If it's later than that non-compliant and 'should' fail miserably.

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We need to be able to see it lol

follow the guide post 16

The documents that the op has posted up on here is NOT a letter before claim,

it simply states "Final Notice" and it does not comply with the pre action practice direction therefore the entire claim is invalid, assuming he has no other letters

I've sorted the file it now shows.

that's pretty naughty to do that

make it appear like its from a claim form that box.

we need a full scan of the claim form front page

if you cant give us this

it makes the claim and the whole thread suspect.

dx

we need a full scan of the claim form front page

 

if you cant give us this

 

it makes the claim and the whole thread suspect.

 

dx

Yes ive noticed just in the last few months lots of these similar letters involving GPB popping up everywhere

and the storyline a bit suspect regarding the validity of the Northampton County Court Form

What concerns me is that this site is my favourite, and if you read Homers post #8 and read the quote, the OP is advising for others to go elswhere so why are they still here ???

We need to be able to see it lol

I will have another attempt at attaching docs - I am struggling as you can tell with settings.

I haven't received anything after this from SIP ; just the court claim. I have acknowledged the court claim online which should get a 14 day extension but I haven't received any confirmation of this : I will ring them tomorrow after checking online to see whether I can tell from there.

Yes ive noticed just in the last few months lots of these similar letters involving GPB popping up everywhere

and the storyline a bit suspect regarding the validity of the Northampton County Court Form

 

What concerns me is that this site is my favourite, and if you read Homers post #8 and read the quote, the OP is advising for others to go elsewhere so why are they still here ???

This is valid trust me : Earlier I did post something with the claim no which SIP viewed in the hour it was there before I changed it after being advised. The claim form I do believe to be valid as I've spoken to the court and logged in on the online system . I apologise for my earlier suggestion of going elsewhere - it was an over reaction to reading a response to my initila post which said ignore it and they will go away : I altered my post but the quote still contains it. I do appreciate the help I am getting as I am feeling stressed by the whole thing at times