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I started this process before I knew this website existed and so just wrote a polite but firm letter to my bank requesting that they review what I felt to be excessive charges on my account over a 3 month period (£1200). When they ignored that I sent them a reminder 14 days later (both recorded) which they have now also ignored! Had I not been nearly so frustrated by them I may not have found this website but they ignored me at their peril and now instead of 3 months charges they'll be looking at a whole lot more.

SAR is on my desk ready to go in the post tonight and thanks to all you guys and the great information on this site, I can't wait!!

RBoS - claiming charges of £3868

17/1/07 - Offer for full amount!! WON!!

3/1/07 - LBA Deadline - reminder e-mail sent

16/12/06 - LBA Sent

27/11/06 - Prelim Letter Sent - no reply at all

17/11/06 - Statements received

12/10/06 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent

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good luck. i'll keep an eye on your thread if you need to know anything or need any help just shout.

rbos prem letter sent 25th aug 06

give me 10 more days letter received 2nd sept 06

lba sent 7th sept 06

settled in full 7/10/2006

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Thanks! It's quite a daunting prospect so it's great to know there's so many kind people who can help if I get stuck or panic!!

 

Suzanne

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RBoS - claiming charges of £3868

17/1/07 - Offer for full amount!! WON!!

3/1/07 - LBA Deadline - reminder e-mail sent

16/12/06 - LBA Sent

27/11/06 - Prelim Letter Sent - no reply at all

17/11/06 - Statements received

12/10/06 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent

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just keep reading threads the more you read the more understanding you have and it becomes less daunting. if you follow in the right order and stick to you timetable you'll soon be laughing all the way to the bank.....

rbos prem letter sent 25th aug 06

give me 10 more days letter received 2nd sept 06

lba sent 7th sept 06

settled in full 7/10/2006

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  • 1 month later...

Well my bank statements arrived on friday and I'm sitting working my way through them just now - hard to tell how much it'll total to but around the £2000 mark already! Hope to have this ready to post tomorrow!

RBoS - claiming charges of £3868

17/1/07 - Offer for full amount!! WON!!

3/1/07 - LBA Deadline - reminder e-mail sent

16/12/06 - LBA Sent

27/11/06 - Prelim Letter Sent - no reply at all

17/11/06 - Statements received

12/10/06 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent

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hey,

 

good luck!

rbs :£1,525

sent S.A.R. 13th oct 2006

received statements 24th oct 2006

sent prelim letter 7th nov 2006

received polite "naw" from T. McLean 14th nov 2006

l.b.a. sent off 20th november

received letter 2nd Dec, another polite refusal

Tommy McLean advises by email to take court action

 

first direct : £?

sent S.A.R. 13th oct 2006

pending statements......

discovered that they have sent no statements from an account that doesn't exist....

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Well the total now is £3176 excluding interest although it may be higher as although I pay a monthly charge for my Royalties Account I also get hit with £28 a month for going over my arranged overdraft limit - can I include this? I'd appreciate if someone can let me know asap as I have the letter ready to go and would like to get it posted before the weekend.

Thanks :)

RBoS - claiming charges of £3868

17/1/07 - Offer for full amount!! WON!!

3/1/07 - LBA Deadline - reminder e-mail sent

16/12/06 - LBA Sent

27/11/06 - Prelim Letter Sent - no reply at all

17/11/06 - Statements received

12/10/06 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent

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  • 2 weeks later...

My prelim letter went off on 27th November claiming charges totalling £3868. Short of miracle I'm too late to get the money in time for xmas but maybe a good start to the new year!! As my husband has just been laid off yet again we could really do with it so fingers crossed. I'd like to think it won't get as far as the courts as I'll need to file 6 different small claims but am well prepared to if that's what needs done!

RBoS - claiming charges of £3868

17/1/07 - Offer for full amount!! WON!!

3/1/07 - LBA Deadline - reminder e-mail sent

16/12/06 - LBA Sent

27/11/06 - Prelim Letter Sent - no reply at all

17/11/06 - Statements received

12/10/06 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent

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6 days and counting........ til deadline for Prelim letter!! :|

RBoS - claiming charges of £3868

17/1/07 - Offer for full amount!! WON!!

3/1/07 - LBA Deadline - reminder e-mail sent

16/12/06 - LBA Sent

27/11/06 - Prelim Letter Sent - no reply at all

17/11/06 - Statements received

12/10/06 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent

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Well my deadline for the Prelim letter was yesterday and I've had no word so LBA will be going in the post tomorrow. Watching Bank Robbery on BBC2 on tuesday night helped inspire me a lot - I hope everyone watched it!!

RBoS - claiming charges of £3868

17/1/07 - Offer for full amount!! WON!!

3/1/07 - LBA Deadline - reminder e-mail sent

16/12/06 - LBA Sent

27/11/06 - Prelim Letter Sent - no reply at all

17/11/06 - Statements received

12/10/06 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent

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I'll be the same when my LBA deadline is up! I'm bad enough just now. I can't believe I didn't even get the standard 'no' letter - I keep telling myself maybe it's all running a bit slow due to xmas etc but I'm sticking to my deadlines all the same! Hope you hear something before the weekend! Fingers are crossed for you!!

RBoS - claiming charges of £3868

17/1/07 - Offer for full amount!! WON!!

3/1/07 - LBA Deadline - reminder e-mail sent

16/12/06 - LBA Sent

27/11/06 - Prelim Letter Sent - no reply at all

17/11/06 - Statements received

12/10/06 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent

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My understanding is that you can use the Summary Clause up to £1500 whereas to go through Small Claims you'd need to split it as £750 is the most you can claim. The fees involved are the same (I think £39) but I believe the only down side to summary clause is that you could be liable for the Bank's court fees IF you lose but then reading through this site, reading articles and watching that episode of the Money Programme highlighted just how unlikely this is. From what I've read on here I think more people are gaining confidence and going with Summary Clause rather than the lengthy process of doing a few Small Claims.

Sorry I don't have many details but I'm not quite at that stage just yet.

Good luck!! :)

RBoS - claiming charges of £3868

17/1/07 - Offer for full amount!! WON!!

3/1/07 - LBA Deadline - reminder e-mail sent

16/12/06 - LBA Sent

27/11/06 - Prelim Letter Sent - no reply at all

17/11/06 - Statements received

12/10/06 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent

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Hi Erinamanda and sorry to hijack your thread Smithsu01, im also in Scotland and just reading through some Scottish posts to refresh myself. I'm currently going through the summary cause process with LTSB (see my signature for my thread). The fees are the same £39 and the whole process is the almost identical, its just a diferent track of small claims. One thing I would point out is when you recieve the summons back in the post from the sheriff court YOU must get a sheriff officer to serve the summons on the bank (form 1B), the court doesn't do this for you.

 

Good luck with both of your claims and have a look over my thread to see what my lie ahead should you need to go to court, hope it gives you some encouragement.

 

Merry christmas btw

o0oLiamBeeo0o

Prelim Req sent 12 June 2006,

LBA sent 26 June 2006,

Confirmation of court action sent 24 July 2006,

Court return date 20 October 2006 - LTSB did not reply,

Court hearing date 27 October 2006 - Decree granted in my favour,

Recall of decree recieved 16 November 2006,

1 December 2006 assigned as recall of decree,

26 January 2007 assigned for full proof hearing,

16 January 2007 1st offer recieved and declined,

23 January 2007 2nd offer accepted, awaiting monies to hit bank account

 

All advice & opinions of o0oLiamBeeo0o are personal opinions, if in doubt seek advice from a qualified professional !!

 

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No problem, hijack away! Thanks, I'll check out your thread!

RBoS - claiming charges of £3868

17/1/07 - Offer for full amount!! WON!!

3/1/07 - LBA Deadline - reminder e-mail sent

16/12/06 - LBA Sent

27/11/06 - Prelim Letter Sent - no reply at all

17/11/06 - Statements received

12/10/06 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent

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Hi

 

Cheers for the info, but I'm now wishing I took RBOS's offer. I'm emigrating to Australia end of Jan and with the timescales for Summay cause claims, it's a nitemare. Spoke with Tommy McLean again to day and felt he was trying to fob me off. He previously told me on 20th December that I would be likelly to recieve a letter offering full amount the following day, now he's saying the the way in whish the bank are dealing with claims is changing from day to day. He suggested I either wait until they respond or take the legal route. To top all this off, I've been charged £152 over xmas :-(

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Mmmm, fraid I don't know the answer to that one but hopefully someone will!

The deadline for my LBA is up in a few days and as yet I've heard nothing at all from RBS! No 'get lost' letter in response to my prelim letter and now no offer at all to my LBA. Wondering if I should e-mail to make sure it's being dealt with as everyone else seems to at least get the standard responses and seems strange to have had nothing at all by this stage!

The letters were sent recorded delivery and have been signed for so I know they've got them!

Any thoughts anyone??

RBoS - claiming charges of £3868

17/1/07 - Offer for full amount!! WON!!

3/1/07 - LBA Deadline - reminder e-mail sent

16/12/06 - LBA Sent

27/11/06 - Prelim Letter Sent - no reply at all

17/11/06 - Statements received

12/10/06 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent

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  • 3 weeks later...

So the deadline for the LBA came and went with still no word from RBS so I e-mailed Tommy McLean just saying that I was disappointed to have not even received a confirmation of my letter and while I appreciate they must be busy etc etc (well someone said he responds better if you're nice to him!). I got a reply straight back with the usual apology and he couldn't tell me when they'd be able to deal with it but they would as soon as they could.

 

At this point I couldn't afford to file at court and would've had to wait a couple of weeks so e-mailed back to say 'as a goodwill gesture I'd extend the deadline by 10 days but rest assured I will file at court after this time' - no harm making him think I'm being nice as oppsed to just skint!!!

 

Anyway, the next day I received acknowlegments of both my Prelim and LBA so suspect he'd stepped things up a bit - strange coincidence if not!

RBoS - claiming charges of £3868

17/1/07 - Offer for full amount!! WON!!

3/1/07 - LBA Deadline - reminder e-mail sent

16/12/06 - LBA Sent

27/11/06 - Prelim Letter Sent - no reply at all

17/11/06 - Statements received

12/10/06 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent

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Just as their 10 day extended deadline was up.....I'd been to court to collect forms......arrived home........and there it was an offer for the full amount!!!!

 

The letter was just a standard, ' we feel these are not penalties but charges for services but as a sign of goodwill......'!!

 

Delighted!!!!

 

Thank you so much to everyone on this site!! Wouldn't have had the first idea where to start without you. All this because a RBS employee suggested I look into it!!

 

Donation on way when money arrives!

RBoS - claiming charges of £3868

17/1/07 - Offer for full amount!! WON!!

3/1/07 - LBA Deadline - reminder e-mail sent

16/12/06 - LBA Sent

27/11/06 - Prelim Letter Sent - no reply at all

17/11/06 - Statements received

12/10/06 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent

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Thanks Tweenies, stick with it and read this site over and over and you'll be celebrating too soon enough! Good luck!

:):D

RBoS - claiming charges of £3868

17/1/07 - Offer for full amount!! WON!!

3/1/07 - LBA Deadline - reminder e-mail sent

16/12/06 - LBA Sent

27/11/06 - Prelim Letter Sent - no reply at all

17/11/06 - Statements received

12/10/06 - S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) Sent

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  • 2 months later...

Well done you!

 

Wow, this thread has reinvigorated my interest in getting my own situation sorted out.

 

Cheers for that!

rbs :£1,525

sent S.A.R. 13th oct 2006

received statements 24th oct 2006

sent prelim letter 7th nov 2006

received polite "naw" from T. McLean 14th nov 2006

l.b.a. sent off 20th november

received letter 2nd Dec, another polite refusal

Tommy McLean advises by email to take court action

 

first direct : £?

sent S.A.R. 13th oct 2006

pending statements......

discovered that they have sent no statements from an account that doesn't exist....

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