Had a visit from one of there reps, was about to leave with my youngest daughter to go on school run but he wouldn't leave,

he then discussed everything in public and cautioned! Me.

Asked what tv I had and what make told him,

he then said you will be summoned and I made it clear no as im not refuseing to pay but they refuse me a cash card to pay with!

Had to set up dd not happy about this.

Never signed anything and told him I have to leave to collect children now!

He then handed me a small paper saying we called out but you weren't home.

Didn't hand me anything he written he didn't see any tv on or working seen an old sat dish on house.

He discussed everything on door step im so annoyed as everytime I ring to get it sorted I get im sorry we can only accept you on a dd plan not a cash one :-S

Don't speak to these door-2-door salesmen, just politely say "No Thank You" and close the door.

Don't bother talking to them. They get the 'God Complex' when they try dishing out their 'rights'..

. I had one two years ago try it on with me.. because he spotted an aerial on my roof he saw fit to hassle me.

.. After a lovely verbal altercation I whipped out my iPhone and started recording him to journal the lot.

He didn't like this, [edit] tried taking my iPhone off of me which resulted in him getting carted off by the police...

They have no right to know what television service you have, nor do they have any right to know what you watch.

If they saw fit, they could take you to court, only then I'd advise telling them

Anyway, I refuse to watch live TV and depend on YouView now, all catchup telly.

. I refuse to pay into the [EDIT], I won't pay into their funds, nor will I watch live TV.

Thing is,if your TV is set up to receive programs you are required to have a TV licence.

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no you aren't... I've made a point of making sure my antenna has no connection to the TV.

I fyou watch LIVE' tv, you need to pay TV license..

So its not set up to receive live programs then.

nope, I dont have the aerial attached so I only get the on demand stuff from BBC iPlay and things like that.. I dont pay for the premium stuff like Entertainment etc... so it's all on demand

Apparently you need a tv licence to watch even catch up TV. Well so i read in this issue of computeractive magazine.

That'd if you watch it on a TV

I have also just checked online and computeractive magazine seem to be wrong. Sorry all

Nope catch-up TV isn't covered. Only LIVE TV is.... Funnily enough, even if you watch some IPV servies in the UK which have about a 45 minute delay between LIVE and when they're aired shouldn't be covered, but this hasn't been proven nor disproven then.

The £1000 fine deterrent is working well..

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He then handed me a small paper saying we called out but you weren't home.

Does it have the address, date and time of the visit, and his VPN number on it?

Nope catch-up TV isn't covered. Only LIVE TV is.... Funnily enough, even if you watch some IPV servies in the UK which have about a 45 minute delay between LIVE and when they're aired shouldn't be covered, but this hasn't been proven nor disproven then.

 

The £1000 fine deterrent is working well..

 

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And now iplayer has a jump back to the start feature, i wonder if this is deemed 'live' or not, when you look into it, modern technology, catch up services, etc could mean the current law is a mess, I wonder when/if any of these cases have/will be bought to court ?

Andy

At the moment, the vast majority of cases are brought through confession evidence (extracted in a variety of ways - many of which are unfair, possibly unlawful).

Most people also plead guilty (often by default).

That means that physical evidence of evasion is rarely considered in court.

iPlayer stuff rarely appears until at least 2 hours after broadcast. The "rewind to start" feature belongs to the live stream, which you'd already need a licence for. The interesting thing will be the previews that the BBC are planning - programmes available on iPlayer before broadcast. Will these disappear from the iPlayer catalog whilst they are being broadcast?

There is already a similar issue with repeats - I'm not sure what the BBC does about that, if anything.

Yes..very true, people are asked a few questions on the doorstep and before they know it theyve implicated themselves in licence evasion !

Yes, I was talking about the live stream, although it is actually possible for example to choose a live feed of BBC at 10pm, not press play so you dont actually see any live content and they using slider at bottom go back for example 2 hours, you would then not actually see any live tv, that would provide interesting reading in court.

Andy

Yes..very true, people are asked a few questions on the doorstep and before they know it they've implicated themselves in licence evasion!

Which is why the safest advice is

NEVER EVER communicate with TVL, in any way, shape, or form.

A policy I apply rigorously.

It is a total mess. They say that if it is recorded or stored at the point of transmission you need a license. I suspect that if you paused a live stream they would argue the case. The question is who can afford to fight that.

I am not sure if promoting evasion is the right way to go,surely campaigning for a new system.

I wasn't aware anyone was promoting evasion?

I'm certainly not.

Bob i didn't say you were. There were people earlier finding reasons not to pay a license. In my opinion if the law is on your side,use it. That goes for debt,motoring, anything.

It clearly is legal to watch any non-live catch up TV, this doesnt't require a licence, I wasnt promoting evasion, just asking the question is watching a 'live' stream that has been 'rewound' a few hours deemed watching live or not, it could be argued that it was recorded live in much the same way that a recorder would or be argued that it isnt live at all, in the same way that catch up tv isnt live (but it obviously was recororded by the tv company in some form).

But as mentioned people who genuinely dont need a licence often prefer the dont say anything to TV LIcencing guys method as its saves hassle.

Bob i didn't say you were. There were people earlier finding reasons not to pay a license. In my opinion if the law is on your side,use it. That goes for debt,motoring, anything.

I think there might be quite a few people about these days, who like to watch live TV, but do not want to fund many of the activities that have been going on at the BBC: Bullying, Paedophillia, Tax fiddles/avoidence, greedy expence claims - the list goes on.

They cannot legally watch Live ITV, C4, C5 & other live broadcasters, without also funding (With the TVL) the Corrupt BBC - which still has lots of "Yewtree" potential prosecutions hanging over it.

They have a Dilemma! They do not wish to fund illegal activities:!:, but the achieve that, they may have to be illegal themselves.

I'm just sticking to catchup tv... between that, dvd's and blue ray + lovefilm and netflix I have more than enough, and I get to FF past all the annoying adverts

I never understand why people get afraid and intimidated by these lot?

Treat them the same as you would any unsolicited doorstep caller, answer door allow them to say their scripted spiel, laugh and say "Not today thank you" and shut the door.

If it really is against the law to not have a TV licence then the police would surely arrest you? No?

No, thats right, they can't because it isn't against the law.

It is against the law. It's just not an arrestable offence.

A lot of people who are wary of TVL do not know how little power they actually have. Not that you'll find them or the BBC being remotely honest about it.

On the one hand, a little knowledge goes a long way - on the other a multi-billion pound organisation has the capability to bend the truth (which it does) and to make people believe things that aren't true (which it also does).

As do most big organisations

It is against the law. It's just not an arrestable offence.

I've had a look but can't find what Law it is? I've been looking for it for 16 years which is the same amount of time I've been licence free.

Even the BBC can't tell me what law it is.

The term 'arrestable offence' is obsolete, it was replaced in 2006 under PACE. As with all governments, if they can't control it's population they simply make up new legislation to assert their control.