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    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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Sorry, only just looked in, sometimes they are long days at Court on this side of the room too!

 

Not a lot that can be added, good luck with speaking to the prosecutor, make sure you attend with good time to spare before the Court session begins because cases involving attenders are always dealt with first.

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Hi Guys,

firstly just want to say a big thank you to the guys on this forum, especially those who have posted on here and assisted me with my problem and worry.

 

I attended court this week at 10am.

Had to wait quiet a while as they were a fair few people who had to be seen.

I had a word with the TFL prosecutor before the case who was also acting as a clerk.

She was nice enough to listen and hear me out.

 

I stated everything I had to and was genuinely sorry and ensured she understood this.

I genuinely felt the prosecutor would not give me any of their time but she went and got my file and gave me time to explain and get my message across, I was very nervous.

 

Following this she confirmed that there was nothing that could be done regarding the case and no settlement was possible, she stated I had already been rejected by email and despite the fact she understood she confirmed that was their position.

 

I thanked her for her time and let her know it was important for me to have just been able to speak to her and at least i knew i had tried.

She also informed me that the majority of people there were being charged with the main charge (Rora) and I had been charged with a 'byelaw' charge which she described as a lesser offence - strict liability (as opposed to dishonesty or fare evasion)

She confirmed that I would be fined accordingly 'Band A' based on the charge.

 

I was called in and pleaded guilty, and said my piece.

The magistrates stated that they had noted my early guilty plea and also remorse and apology and taken this into account.

 

I was fined the following:

 

£75 fine

£6.30 for ticket to TFL

£90 for tfl/court fees (not sure-she spoke really quickly)

£15 victim surcharge

= £186.30

 

I expected the fine to be much more hence was a little surprised, especially as I had seen a number of Freedom pass cases on here worth a great deal more.

I also didn't understand why they did not charge me with fare evasion and the main act, im guessing this must be due to the evidence I provided.

I asked them about the byelaw and whether recordable etc and criminal records however the prosecutor stated they were not sure (brilliant)

 

bottom line im glad its over, im glad its behind me and im glad I can learn and move on.

Thankyou to all those on here who helped me, OC,HB,firstclass... genuinely appreciate it and would urge you to continue doing so as for a lot of lost souls you provide help which we would otherwise never have.

 

Thanks Guys, from reading on here for 6 months I decided I MUST post an outcome as you guys always request, and when you read a thread with no outcome cos the OP has legged it after getting your help, its annoying, rude and frustrating wanting to know what happened.

 

Well there it is guys, that's how it ended for me.

Word of advice for all those out there in similar positions, read around here, get all the advice from the very helpful knowledgeable members and learn from your mistakes, nothing in this world is for free, we live and learn, if you can afford to pay fines you can afford to pay a railfare, I learnt this the hard way.

 

Thanks again. (iambilly give it up mate)

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Hello again.

 

Thank you for the kind words. I'm a bit confused about what the outcome was too, but I think you did a great job with negotiating on the day. :)

 

Please consider staying around here, using other forums and advising other people on this one based on your experience.

 

My best, HB

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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Yup she would not settle, stated the whole freedom pass thing was big fish etc... and she stood by the fact that they had already stated where they stood by email and unfortunately she wouldn't be able to change that. I was gutted but expected it.

 

and the clerk thing basically - Ii asked her if I could speak to the TFL prosecutor as she was taking names of people who had arrived. She stated she was the TFL prosecutor and was only taking names (clerk duites) as the clerk was not present.

 

So bottom line the outcome was the fine as stated above and conviction of the byelaw offence. Hope that clarifies things guys. I did ask them about the byelaw and criminal records but they wernt sure - which inspires great confidence :p

 

Anyway thanks for your kind words HB appreciate them, will endeavour to stay around and help others :)

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"Although convicted, it will not show on a standard criminal record,

but it will on an enhanced record check.

 

If you are a policeman, lawyer, nurse, teacher etc, civil service, then they all require an "enhanced" check.

Equally, the US Embassy could also check the record if/when you apply for any visas etc".

 

This - technically - has nothing to do with this thread, but it sparked my interest for another reason.

 

The 'US Embassy' cannot 'check' the record of anyone; what happens is that you have to apply to ACPO for an output of your criminal record if you're applying for a Non-Immigrant Visa.

 

The US - along with many other Countries - Canada, Aus/NZ, etc - now ask on landing cards whether you've been convicted of any offences and if, like me, you lied and said no but subsequently got found out, then you wont get in without a Visa interview.

 

I would point out that if you've ever travelled to the US and on the landing card where it says have you ever been arrested or convicted of any offence of Moral Turpitude (MT) and said no and the truth is opposite then you could be on dangerous ground if they pull you for interview at the Border.

 

I always said 'no' to the turpitude question as it sounded to me like, well, nasty stuff and I've never gone anywhere near there.

 

However, I found out to my cost that MT means ANY offence of dishonesty - including our old friend, drink-driving.

Were it not for injustice, Man would not know justice.

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I always said 'no' to the turpitude question as it sounded to me like, well, nasty stuff and I've never gone anywhere near there. However, I found out to my cost that MT means ANY offence of dishonesty - including our old friend, drink-driving.

 

...and fare evasion/avoidance!

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Hi my name is Hash and I’m also going through exactly what josh is going through I just wanted to ask will I be getting a criminal record or should I try my best like josh and pay the remaining fines

 

Hello and welcome to CAG.

 

Please start a new thread of your own and tell us what happened to you.

 

Tagging onto someone else's old thread doesn't work.

 

Best, HB

Illegitimi non carborundum

 

 

 

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