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    • @jk2054 and @BankFodder - Your feedbacks in posts #199 and #202 have been incorporated into the attached WS. As usual, amends are in blue in this draft. Based on other WS drafts I've seen where the issues in dispute are part of the WS, I built my first draft WS in the same format and hadn't seen it to be an issue before. You will notice that the 'witness statement' has been replaced with 'Claimant's Statement' so that issues in dispute does not need to be on a separate page before the WS. This is especially given the work that has gone in to reduce the size of the WS to 8 pages. Also thanks for the suggestions re: confidentiality - I agree with your views and will stand firm on this if a condition of confidentiality is brought up. I have not been approached by Evri on this forum or by email. I haven't yet had success in paying the hearing fee. I am calling the court as often as I can (during work breaks/lunch etc.) and have sent 2 emails to the court requesting a call back. If i don't have any success by the end of this week, I'll send another email chasing for a call back. @BankFodder - Also attached is an invoice from Packlink which shows that I was charged by Packlink for these services: "drop-off at EVRi - Next day delivery" and "Proof of Delivery". It also has the payer's address and there are "Origin" and "Destination" fields which have the postcode of the sender and the recipient (I have redacted personal details in the attached invoice).  I am already including this in my evidence bundle (without the redaction) but wanted to share this redacted version so that other people can consider this as example in their bundle of Packlink and Evri's contract being instigated by the sender of the parcel who has paid for the service, and further shows that there is information in the invoice to identify that a third party beneficiary (sender / recipient) is present in the contract between Packlink and Evri. If this invoice is no good, then please let me know / delete it from this post. Draft - Witness Statement and Court Bundle redacted.pdf Packlink invoice - REDACTED.pdf
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    • The Court s pretty informal. The Judge [who you call "Judge" rather than Sir or madam] will not be wearing a wig and gown just a suit and it is advisable that you do the same and a tie. Other than that the Judge will do most of the talking .If they haven't received a WS from the scrotes either the case will probably be thrown out straight away. Usually the Judge will ask their lawyer a number of questions then ask for your take on things and then the case will be decided.  UKPC 0 Mystic Bertie 5. Then ask for your expenses time off work [if not being paid by your company while in Court, travelling and parking costs and occasionally they will allow something like 5 hours research at I think £8 per hour. Later celebrate and post us the result and how much fun it was. You will wonder  why you worried about it so much. Next time will be much easier.🙂
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Hi, hope someone can help, to cut a long story short, jan 10 i had an accident in the very icy conditions unusual for our area and most of the country were facing abnormal weather, someone pulled out of a side road into my path as i tried to break my car started to skid, there was a car parked almost directly on the corner or where the other car pulled out and i collided into it writing my car off ( i was not going fast hence the ice and no one was hurt in anyway) and smashing the back light and damaged the other car's bumper. As there was no one in the parked car i had to knock around the doors on the street to find out who's car this was! i found the lady who could'nt be any nicer about it at the time lol! we swapped details and as soon as i got home say 20mins after the accident i phoned my insurance to let them know what had happened and gave them her details and insurance details ect: i thought that would be it after i had received my payout for my car and all was well as i got it fixed i just assumed that was the matter delt with, june 11 i received a court letter with reports to say that a judgement had b e made in the favor of the other party and that i needed to pay nearly 2000 to her minus the 2500 she had got already from my insurance, the report stated her car was damaged to the value of 756.98?? why do i need to pay her all this money??? i have been back to my insurance and they assured me i would not get a ccj? i gave them all rellivant paper work. Sept 11, i have a credit card took off me??????? wondering why this would happen as i don't owe the card any money i got myself a credit report off experian and low and behold there is a ccj on my file all due to this accident?. What can i do now? i am gob smacked that this is allowed as i thought this was the point of being insured and i even paid extra for legal cover on my fully comp policy? any suggestions on what i can do?? any help greatly apprectiated. gina

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If you have passed on all details to the Insurers to deal with and have not kept anything from them i.e. court claim papers, then there is no reason for the CCJ to have been awarded against you. Your Insurers would normally have entered into discussion with the third party Insurers to resolve their claim, to pay them the relevant amount, so the court claim could be discontinued. It sound like someone has just sat on the paperwork from the court or the court claim was not sent to the correct address. The court claim is normally sent to the policyholders address and the policyholders then sends it on to their Insurers. The Insurers then deal with it, so no court case. Normally for claims below £5k the Insurers just settle the third party claim, so they don't incur further costs.

 

Find out why you did not receive the court claim papers. Contact court that issued the CCJ, to ask for copies of court claim papers. Apply for a set aside on the basis of not receiving the claim and that you have Insurers that should have been dealing with it. If you speak to the court staff that deal with these issues on a daily basis, they can be very helpful. They will explain the CCJ set aside process. At the end of the process, hopefully the set aside will get rid of the CCJ, your Insurers will settle the third parties claim and you will have rectified the situation.

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Hi thanks for that information i did receive court information but there was no date to turn up just a form to fill in for my income outgoing ect of which i took in person straight to my insurance brokers as i was worried about it as I've never dealt with any thing like this before, i also remember getting the papers allot later than the date stamp that was on the papers also think things may have been complicated as the other party also went to a solicitor instead of letting the insurance companies sort it out? Yesterday i telephoned my insurance company and it is still unclear why this has happened as they say they settled the amount she was asking. They say they have sent an email to the courts asking them to update their files to show the ccj is satisfied, but i told them that is not good enough for me as i don't believe it should be on my file for all to see as the situation of them not paying out because they felt she was asking to much was beyond my control. The insurance say they will reimburse me the 14.99 i paid for a credit report which is nice enough i so pose but if them or the other side moved quicker its apparent this would not of happened from what i can gather. A check for 15.00 arrived early this morning so it goes to show they can move when needed lol, i am going to ring them shortly to find out what they intend to do about this ccj many thank for you help. Gina

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who was the claimant who issued the claim

 

it was not M.I.B was it

 

the only way to remove the ccj wouls be via a n244 application to set aside the judgement

 

I agree. You need to look into getting the CCJ totally removed from your record i.e. a set aside. If you don't, the next time you apply for anything credit related, this could seriously affect you. Don't delay, as the court require any CCJ set aside to take place within reasonable time. If you leave it beyond say 6 months, you might not get it off your record, although a satisfied CCJ does automatically get removed after 6 years. A CCJ on your record, even if satisfied could mean getting turned down for loans/mortgages, even mobile phone contracts etc. If you did get offered loans/mortgages, these could be at high interest rate levels. So even if it costs you say £75 for a set aside, it will be worth it. No doubt you can reclaim these costs from whoever is responsible for this mess.

 

http://www.trustonline.org.uk/understand-judgments-fines/set-aside-a-judgment/

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