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To enlarge on Dave's post 58 about the Penalty section. there was a famous court case at the supreme Court between parking Eye and Mr Beavis. The Law Lords mused that by charging £100 there was a definite possibility that it was a penalty. The Lords then decided that as PE had a legitimate interest in keeping the car park well run , it wasn't a penalty. Therefore it follows that as the business was closed at the time of your visit being charged 3100 is a definite penalty as there is no legitimate interest involved. if a PCN is classed as a penalty the case is thrown out. Your one line statement and missing out "legitimate interest"may end up with Judges missing the significance of the situation, Once you mention legitimate interest they will recall the Beavis case and the mention of the Law Lords of the word penalty you strengthen your argument. And it is great that a motorist is talking about the Beavis case rather than the rogues. -
Morning All Natalie from P2G emailed me this morning advising they would update me as soon as possible. I responded as attached. 23Apr24 - email to Natalie of P2G with photos of cut package.pdf -
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I will read up on Witness Statements this week and look at some examples to understand the structure. I will attempt to draft one over the weekend but would appreciate any help or guidance. -
Thank you DX100uk. Your excellent advice has really helped again. The mortgage company we are speaking to have accepted that it is indeed a Restriction on our deeds. However, within the wording that Land Registry have recorded on our deeds an interim charging order is mentioned. The text from LR is as follows: RESTRICTION:- No disposition of the registered estate is to be registered without a certificate signed by the applicant for registration or his conveyancer that written notice of the disposition was given to Egg Banking Plc being the person with the benefit of an interim charging order on the beneficial interest of **** ***** made by the ***** County Court on 11 August 2007 I can appreciate what the mortgage underwriters are saying but I do not understand why interim charging order is mentioned when it is not a charge but a restriction. Please explain if possible. Thank you.
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