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    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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    • We have finally managed to obtain the transcript of this case.

      The judge's reasoning is very useful and will certainly be helpful in any other cases relating to third-party rights where the customer has contracted with the courier company by using a broker.
      This is generally speaking the problem with using PackLink who are domiciled in Spain and very conveniently out of reach of the British justice system.

      Frankly I don't think that is any accident.

      One of the points that the judge made was that the customers contract with the broker specifically refers to the courier – and it is clear that the courier knows that they are acting for a third party. There is no need to name the third party. They just have to be recognisably part of a class of person – such as a sender or a recipient of the parcel.

      Please note that a recent case against UPS failed on exactly the same issue with the judge held that the Contracts (Rights of Third Parties) Act 1999 did not apply.

      We will be getting that transcript very soon. We will look at it and we will understand how the judge made such catastrophic mistakes. It was a very poor judgement.
      We will be recommending that people do include this adverse judgement in their bundle so that when they go to county court the judge will see both sides and see the arguments against this adverse judgement.
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      It would be very nice if the parcel delivery companies – including EVRi – practised this kind of thing as well.

       

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80 weeks - 21 SEP 2007 - Yasmin - Default Notice removed by court Egg_Charges and Default

 

So far as I know, the above marathon thread (260 posts, 18 months, March 2006 through September 2007), is the only reported case of an Egg DN successfully rolled back by court action. For those with no appetite to read through 260 posts I have tasked myself for doing the same, and have attempted the following precis, with apologies to our longsuffering heroine Yasmin for errors and omissions.

 

March 2006 - Yasmin started a claim for refund of £220 charges, and for rollback of DN triggered mostly by unlawful charges (a copy of which DN she has never received before or since).

 

August 2006 - Small Claims court hearing, resulting in a further hearing.

 

September 2006 - another court hearing

 

November 2006 - Egg offered to settle out of court, which Yasmin accepted, understanding the offer to be for the whole of her two-part claim, namely charges refund plus DN rollback.

 

December 2006 - With Egg refunding charges but not rolling back DN, Yasmin applied in court to reinstate the DN part of her partially settled lawsuit.

 

March 2007 - court hearing for DN removal.

 

June 2007 - court hearing. The judge upheld Yasmin's understanding of the previously agreed terms of settlement, and pointed out to Yasmin that whereas a Small Claims Court judge was not empowered to rule on the legality of the DN, removal of same could be effected by an injunction on Egg to carry out the terms of the previously agreed settlement. Yasmin took the hint and applied for said injunction in a different court.

 

September 2007 :grin: - court hearing. With Yasmin exhausted but Egg a no-show the judge ruled that Egg must withdraw the DN -- the judge was not ruling that the DN was unlawful due to it being triggered in part by unlawful charges, he was ruling that DN rollback was part of a settlement previously agreed by Egg. This being the condition under which Yasmin withdrew her case, this condition had to be carried out.

 

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The most prescient posting during the course of this cause celebre was by BankFodder on 27th March 2006, forecasting the huge repercussions of a High Court battle over DN justification where default was wholly or partially triggered by unlawful charges. BankFodder remarked on one alternative route to achieve a DN rollback, where a claimant has tied her DN claim together with her charges reclaim in one bundle. When Egg made the complacent tactical mistake of settling the second claim out of court without explicitly rejecting the first claim, they subsequently found themselves bound by court injunction issued by a sympathetic judge to also carry out DN rollback-- the exact legal route successfully followed by Yasmin 18 months after BankFodder's post.

 

Overturning a DN on the grounds of unlawful charges looks like a court battle still to be fought, in the High Court I suspect.

 

 

This hasn't been tried before so it is experimental.

The idea is that when the bank defaults you, they do so because you have agreed in the contract that they may inform third parties of your account information.

 

My view is that there must also be an implied (unwritten term) that the information they release is true an accurate.

 

If they have defaulted you because of a debt which is made up partly of unlawful charges, then the default is not accurate and is therefore a breach of contract. It is this breach of contract which you include in your claim.

 

Now in Law, you can't just go suing people if you have suffered no damage. You have to show some kind of loss which the court will recognise. So what you have to do is to list out the ways in which the default has caused you inconvenience or actual loss of money.

For instance, if you have had to pay increased interest rates for loans because of your credit status. If you have regularly been turn down for credit and this has compromised your quality of life.

 

Once you have listed these things, we have to work out a reasonable figure to claim for each one. We have to keep it all to less than £5000 including the charges which you are claiming.

 

The downside of this experiment is that it may provoke the bank to defend the claim - so you have to be ready for it. You have to understand that the one thing that the bank really does not want is to have a judgment against them which shows that they have entered an incorrect entry into the credit register. If you succeeded in this claim then the way would be open to allege defamation against the bank and against the CRA.

 

A possible result is that the bank might just settle your whole claim without the risk of going to court.

This would mean that you had your money but you still had your default.

 

If you wanted to ramp it up even more, you could apply for an injunction to force the bank to remove the default.

This would get very exciting - but might risk the possibility of coming off the Small Claims track. however the issues are exactly the same as the charges and so technically there is no reason why it should be so.

 

Let me know what you fell about all of this, any questions and whether you wanted to go ahead. It is your own decision.

 

….. I agreed a settlement figure and deal with Direct Legal Collections.

 

My understanding was that the account would be marked as settled, the account closed, and any adverse credit removed, including default notice.

 

This seemed to be a good deal, and on the evening before the hearing was due Egg dropped the counter claim and any further action. I went to court however, as advised, and agreed to abandon the claim providing Egg kept to the terms of the agreement.

 

Of course the rest is history. I applied to the court to re instate the case for the default removal only.

 

The Judge was extremely helpful this morning and advised me that the County Court did not have the jurisdiction to order the removal of a default notice.

 

Just to give you an update.... I was in Court yesterday...... Anyway, my interpretation of the Agreement was that the account was "SETTLED" and therefore any default or adverse credit should be removed.

 

The Judge also upheld this view yesterday, and asked eggs solicitor if this was normal practice for their client to take this course of action. He was outraged that they have behaved in such a manner.

 

It is not within his jurisdiction to order that the default should be removed. He has however suggested , a special performance injunction to enforce the terms of the compromised Agreement. The Judge has not made an order, but the case has now been adjourned and will remain open for 6 months, so that I may seek further advice re. the injunction. Needless to say, this is the action I will be taking!

 

And the happy ending: :grin:

 

The hearing was on Wednesday. No one even bothered to show this time......RESULT the Judge has ordered Egg to remove all adverse credit:grin: I think he's secretly hoping they will oppose it so he can get them into the courtroom !! the Costs were limited to this hearing, but now the default is being removed...............watch this space;-)

 

 

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Thanks Steven. Not sure if there has been any DN court actions reported in other forums, anyone know a link?

 

By definition card and bank account holders who received DN would have received Late Payment and/or Overlimit unlawful penalty charges previously. Even where the DN was triggered in part (not in whole) by penalty charges, the DN debit balance figure quoted would have been wrong and possibly defamatory for being inflated by unlawful charges.

 

If a precedent judgment were passed that such a DN had to be rescinded, the same fate could become applicable for EVERY DN issued in the UK over the past 6 years - millions :o . As BankFodder pointed out, there would also be the issue of possible substantial retrospective damage claims for those who demonstrably suffered from untrue and inaccurate DNs ruining their credit rating on Experian, Equifax etc.

 

For all these reasons cards and banks would defend against DN rollback tooth and nail fighting to the last ditch -- a very big action indeed in the High Court. DN rollback would also have to depend on a prior ruling whether penalty charges were unlawful at all, and what to do with retrospective reclaims. Here again we are back waiting for clarification from the Test Case verdict for banks, and for a charges Test Case still to be mounted for cards.

 

 

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i am a solicitor and considering issuing a claim against Egg in relation to PPI as they say I ticked the box on the online application and the T & C were online I note that phatram was successful but was it in relation to online application anyone which any advice to assist me would be appreciated I have corresponded with Wendy Schratz and I think she is nervous help need to help me and many others

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Hi Judy

 

Welcome to CAG.

 

Have you sent a request under s77 CCA 1974? You will get a copy of the online form yoiu filled in with the relevant boxes ticked/unticked. If that shows the PPI box ticked, you are going to find it difficult to prove that you didn't tick it. It is the place to start, though.

 

 

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Let us not forget that the FSA recently fined Egg for PPI mis-selling.

 

They therefore not only have "form", they've had their collar felt by the financial Sweeny.

 

Egg's 1967 MK2 Jag 4.2 smashes into a pile of cardboard boxes while the 1973 Ford Consul 2.5 FSA skids to a halt inches from the driver's door.

 

Regan and Carter of the FSA jump out, Browning 9mm pistols cocked and aimed at the occupants of the Jag.

 

"Oi! You're nicked my son!" barked DI Regan. "Cuff them and get them in the back of the Transit and dont be too gentle with them"

 

DC Carter whispers in their ear-"Oh dear, Humpty Dumpty is going have a great fall! Get in the back you slags. All the Queen's men want a word with you!!"

 

Roll credits.

 

Sweeny theme tune.

 

(Ok, I live in a parallel 1970s universe) :D

 

The fun starts at 2.07

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IsC0T0pKwfw&feature=related

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Egg DN rollback successes have now grown to 3 reported. Thread title change to "Egg DNs successfully rolled back" now requested from Mods. Evidently has not been easy.

 

122 weeks - 04 FEB 2009 - unjustified DN on Egg Loan Account rolled back by Egg after an heroic two and a half years tussel - Egg Default

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