medical assessment? Does applying for this loan FLAG you on the system for a maximus assessment? we have attended one last year and we don't want to do another until as long as possible. We KNOW that a change of address can flag you for a medical and we were told to be careful when it came to doing anything that put you on the RADAR for dwp!!! . they will use any excuse to get you kicked off benefits? is this true? thanks form previous help!

Hi REGARDING SECTION 8 OF THE BUDGETING LOAN FORM there is some confusion regarding what is needed to be filled in if you are filling it on behalf of someone? can anyone help? it states:- have you filled in this form for someone else? NO (go to part 9) YES please tell us about yourself Please tell us why you are filling in and signing this form for someone else TICK BOX I am sending a letter by the claimant with this form, the letter tells you that they agree to me making the claim for them NOW SIGN THIS FORM IN PART 9 TICKBOX i am their appointee TICKBOX i have power of attorney TICK BOXES FOR NAME ADDRESS AND DATE OF BIRTH The form is made out like the above. My point is that according to the form if i tick the box 'I am sending a letter by the claimant.....' it tells me to go straight to part 9? if i go to part 9 then i assume i DONT tick '-+++I am their appointee' OR i have power of attorney' ? and therefore i DONT put my name or address or date of birth? I'm assuming you only do this if you are either appointee or power of attorney (as i am neither anyway?) i actually DONT want to give my details anyway as i am just helping a friend. finally to confuse matters further on page 9 it states sign here if you are claimant or appointee. Can SOMEONE confirm i DONT have to put my name or address. I just have to provide the letter signed by the person claiming?

I have been helping my friend try to sort out his housing benefit. He is a vulnerable person who is on ESA. Originally he had no-one to help him sort everything out when he found a new accommodation around two months ago. He was looking for somewhere to move to and I was not available during this period. When he moved in he paid a two weeks deposit and weeks rent and received, keys. He never was offered a full tenancy agreement. Later on he was told by the landlord that he prefers to rent rooms out with just a cash deposit only a one-two weeks’ notice. He doesn’t give tenancy agreements as it saves paperwork, he has made it clear that he has no shortage of tenants so does not need to offer full tenancy agreements. The person that helped him originally stated that this would not be a problem as a tenancy agreement is not required, just a proof of rent and tenancy letter. I also phoned Haringey council and was told the same information along with and the criteria needed. After getting in touch with me I filled in the online form for him and managed to get him to ask the landlord for a proof of rent/address letter from the landlord (after persuading him it was for another matter). It has all the correct information etc. which was then submitted with a passport scan for ID. This is where the problems began as Haringey council became persistently awkward. WE were told in a letter/ and phone call we had to do the following:- 1 provides a birth certificate which i eventually was bought and sent! 2 send them proof of ESA. we managed to persuade his old civil solicitor to get it FAXED straight away (We even managed to get a strong legal covering letter from the firm stating that he had been a vulnerable CLIENT for two years and to help him as quickly as possible. After a week they then sent him a letter stating that the proof of tenancy letter was defective because it was unsigned by him (even though it was from the landlord) and to….. 3….. to RE-SIGN it and send it back in 4 to write a letter stating why he didn’t have a tenancy letter to begin with. This in-depth letter was then written and both documents were resent. * These documents were then taken in. I took all documents and acted on his behalf. at all times. * all of the above was done and then resubmitted to them EXACTLY as they had requested and asked to do at different periods…hence reason that so much time has passed. He then got a letter stating that they had decided against him. that they require a tenancy agreement to prove ‘liability of rent’ I don’t understand how they can demand this when it says specifically on the Harringay website that a proof of rent letter will suffice. He has been given until 30th November to produce a tenancy agreement. Which his private landlord will not do. He also does not accept dss. According to Harringay website they accept proof of rent letters, i fail to understand what has gone wrong, especially as before refusing him they asked him to jump through all these hoops to do all of the REQUIREMENTS ABOVE. Is there any anything we can do to more easily remedy this situation WITH THEM? without having to jump through multiple/legal hoops with CAB - which is a complete nightmare. any help you can offer i would be extremely grateful; I spoke informally to his civil solicitor and she implied Harringay council KNOW they should accept the proof of rent letter and that they are 'trying it on’ I also spoke to someone other legal entity over the phone CAB and they think that Harringay are purposely obstructing the claim? he has been using his ESA money to cover rent and is owed approx. 10-12 weeks rent. I have been helping him also. this situation cannot continue. We have until 30th to provide a tenancy agreement which wont be forthcoming, even though this is not legally required. Obviously, I want to get the claim started and get him paid so does he have to stay there in the same accommodation to fight / appeal the claim? at the same time paying out rent he cannot afford? 1 Or can he move out and still appeal this claim as he is owed money. But he cannot keep continuing to pay out his esa like this. 2 how do we appeal/ fight/ win the claim/ how long will this take? 3 how can Harringay demand a tenancy agreement when they instructed me to do all these things and then refuse my claim. I had to buy a birth certificate. He will not be able to get a tenacy agreement also the private landlord does not accept dss. 4 how do we fight this? 5 can they legally close the claim on the 30th Nov.? due to lack of tenancy agreement? Thanks for your help – we are desperate. Thanks p.s from haringay website:- ‘If you are a private tenant, you need to provide a tenancy agreement or a rent book or a letter from your landlord confirming how much rent you pay and what is included in the rent.’ EDIT UPDATE!!!!! the rent letter we originally supplied was a letter which contained all relevant info name address of landlord, signed, rent amount, times its paid, when he moved in, bills included one room etc and it had name and address and was dated and signed by both parties. it also stated that the rent was currently up to date, so its legal.* there has been an update. We got a legal adviser involved who contacted the council on Wednesday. She explained the situation and asked to speak to the decision maker or at least his department. the call center were helpful, the adviser explained the landlord wont give a tenancy agreement and isn't obliged to. she also explained that we had done everything the council had asked which implied that we was going to get a successful outcome to the claim. and that according the council website a rent letter is acceptable. So why the insistence on a tenancy agreement. The dept. asked if the tenant could get one and she said no way. They have agreed to re-examine the claim, the same decision maker. he actually wanted to speak to the tenanct but she said he suffers from anxiety so to contact me (the advocate) they said no one was on the system, which wanst true. I wasn't there at the time. she also followed this up with an in-depth email afterwards saying that tenant was vulnerable and has been paying his esa to his landlord and that we can supply medical evidence and that the situation is affecting his health. we wont see her until next Wednesday. I phoned on his behalf on Friday and it hasn't been looked at yet. Does this look hopeful, they seem to have backed down a bit since the legal adviser phoned? or do you think they are just fobbing us off? is there anything we can do in the meantime? we have re-uploaded all documents (just in case any of the originals weren't looked at the first time around.. .. is there anything else we can do????