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  1. Do you think there's a good chance to win the appeal to the adjudicator, given the above?
  2. Challenge refused very quickly Of course, there's good funding for those salaries! With they could respond to other important matters so fast too. Main pearl: "It is the responsibility of the motorist to make the initial payment immediately upon parking and clearly display a valid pay & display ticket in their vehicle or ensure that sufficient payment for parking has been made via the RingGo service. It is not permitted to leave a vehicle without payment of the initial charge." So the questions arising from the statement above are: a) How can a motorist make an 'initial' payment immediately upon parking and display a valid pay & display ticket when there is no parking machine nearby. b) How can a motorist pay via parking machine WITHOUT leaving the vehicle. c) What's RingGo service - the time plate doesn't mention a RingGo service I think just this could win the appeal on its own, no? Contradiction in statements I mean. Secondary pearl: "While I acknowledge you may have had issues locating a Pay & Display machine, there are other alternative methods of paying for parking. The RingGo 'pay by phone' number is stated on the sign at the location (photo attached). There is also a nearby Pay & Display machine at the junction XX. I am satisfied that the keeper remains liable for this PCN" Well, I went there to check this statement about the machine. I don't know how I missed that before, but indeed upon walking about 150 meters there's a junction and tucked away there's a ticket machine on a different street, that can easily be blocked away by a parked car. So basically one ticket machine on a block of 4 roads spanning across 600-700 meters in total. I think this is also another good reason to appeal, no? Finally, I'm confused by this: "How to take the case further: 1. If you do not pay, we will send a 'Notice to Owner' to the keeper. This form offers the keeper the chance to formally challenge the PCN, or pay the full charge (by this time it will be too late to take advantage of the discount). .... 2. If we still disagree with you, the keeper can take the case to the Environment and Traffic Adjudicators; they are independent and their decision is binding on both sides." So does this indeed mean I cannot appeal now, and need to wait until the council serves me that notice, and I will definitely loose the discounted rate if the appeal is rejected? Many thanks.
  3. Thank you Michael, much appreciated! Logged the challenge with the council, will post the results here.
  4. Here's what I am planning to appeal with (Ethel Street and Michael Browne - thank you): Dear Sir/Madam, I am writing to appeal the Penalty Charge Notice (PCN) issued on dd/mm/yyyy at hh:mm on XX Road. The alleged contravention is for parking in a residents' or shared used parking space or zone without a valid virtual permit or clearly displaying a valid physical permit or voucher or pay and display ticket. I would like to bring to your attention that the signage in the area is misleading. I read the sign about restrictions and tried to find a parking meter in order to pay as per the sign. I walked for a while trying to locate a parking meter to pay but could not locate one on XX Road or any of the parallel streets - AA Road, BB Road, CC Street, which are several hundred meters in length. I also double checked on Google Maps and did not find any parking meters in the area. By the time I returned to my vehicle, the PCN had already been issued just 15 minutes before the end of the parking regulation period. It is not reasonable to expect me, arriving in the area for the first time on a dark cold winter's night, to know that the parking meters had been removed and that the sign is misleading. I respectfully request that you consider my appeal and cancel the Penalty Charge Notice. Thank you for taking the time to review my case. Sincerely, XYZ
  5. Thanks for the tip. I've checked google maps now just in case. Basically the whole street (around 200 meters in length) and a few parallel and adjacent streets (maybe around 300m in total length) has the sign around paying by phone OR by meter, and there's NOT a single meter there. I will definitely log a case for misleading signage. Any specific wording or prior cases etc I could use? Thanks again.
  6. Isn't a fact that one of the two options is 'Pay by Meter' with no meter found anywhere - a valid reason to argue they confuse people? Paying by phone takes several minutes of time which is ridiculous.
  7. Hello, I feel angry about a parking fine received that just stinks like a scheme to be making easy money in a dodgy way. Parked the car in the following zone at around 20:35: --- Residence permit holders only OR Mon-Sun 9am-9pm Pay at Machine OR Pay by Phone --- Took a long walk to find a machine including on adjacent streets - not found. Returned to the car at around 20:47 and found a parking ticket timed 20:45 saying they were observing the car from 20:39 to 20:45 (which I suspect is a lie but that's a different topic). Honestly, how miserable should things be to be cruising streets (or more likely sitting there tight and waiting for a late evening victim) at almost 9pm evening issuing fines? The answer is simple - making money. No other reasons. Is there any good reasoning / similar case I could use to appeal, including: a) disproportionate fine considering only 15 minutes left to 9PM - and 9PM being unreasonably late b) a lie on the sign saying can be payed by Machine, but no Machine found; a local confirmed that paying by phone takes a good 4 minutes at least Thanks for the advice!
  8. SUCCESS!!! The Adjudicator directs London Borough of Newham to cancel the Penalty Charge Notice. Adjudicator's Reasons ---------- The appellant's vehicle passed in between two clearly signed 'No Entry' signs. It stopped and reversed. When read in conjunction with the site plan diagram, in particular the area shaded yellow, I am not persuaded that the vehicle contravened Article 3 of the Traffic Management Order. I will therefore allow the appeal. ---------- I think what this means is that simply crossing a 'no entry' sign cannot by itself lead to a fine. Justice!
  9. Thanks. I have logged the appeal with the Parking Adjudicator, will post results here.
  10. So should I go ahead and appeal to Parking Adjudicator? Or i better pay the reduced prices, which I am totally against since this is not a fair charge by any means, shouldn't really happen in a European (hmm) society.
  11. Evening, What a quality football! Got a PCN from Newham council / Temple Mill Lane for 'disobeying no entry restriction' (no entry sign). Never happened to me before! Here is the situation: 1) It's a regular two way street with sudden 'no entry' signs for BUSSES AND CYCLES ONLY (pls see attachment from google maps) 2) The driver driven past the sign for about 7-8 meters BUT then put on reverse gear when it was safe to do so and driven back 3) Upon driving backwards the driver noticed an unmarked vehicle parked on double yellow lines with a camera and a grumpy person inside; obviously filming. 4) Got a PCN. Put together a long appeal and got REJECTION as follows: 1) DRIVER: As can be seen on the video, the driver pulled back when it was safe to do so and to prevent any potential accidents. COUNCIL: We sent you a PCN because our camera evidence shows your vehicle disobeying a 'no entry' restriction. The relevant sign is round, red, and has a horizontal white line across it. 2) DRIVER: There is no prior warning and thus a very strange layout when suddenly the street terminates with 'no entry' signs. COUNCIL: Whilst it is appreciated that sometimes coming up to a no entry restriction can seem sudden to a motorist especially if unfamiliar with the road, it is very clean in this instance that you had lots of time and space to turn around with no other vehicles in site at the time. 3) DRIVER: No safe way to reverse: two way street, cycle lane, busses, and traffic emerging from a car park. Hazardous traffic. COUNCIL: I note you stated there was hazardous traffic, but it should be stated that this does not mean that a motorist can drive through a no entry restriction 4) DRIVER: As per freedom of information act, requested a brakedown on much money they make on that spot, arguing that they prefer to keep it that way to make money rather than put a proper layout in place. COUNCIL: Please direct such requests to the information governance team using the details xxx.... 5) DRIVER: Enforcement officer has been parked on a double yellow line in an unmarked vehicle: does this mean any motorist can park on double yellow lines in the borough? COUNCIL: I note you have stated that the enforcement officers car was parked inappropriately. Please not that whilst our enforcement officers do their best to make sure that there are not causing any inconvenience to others, it can be difficult at times to achieve this to the maximum. However please be assured that our enforcement officers always do their best to avoid any inconvenience whilst enforcing. I disagree with these answers: clearly council is making money here and is not interested in putting things right. And clearly they do this by compromising safety of drivers/pedestrians/cyclists and ignoring the normal rules (unmarked camera vans parked on double yellow lines). Do you think I have good chances of appealing to Parking Adjudicator? How do you suggest to do this? Many thanks PS. On the google screenshot attached another driver is caught with the same 'offence', they are making millions there!!!
  12. SUCCESS!!! Thank you!! OUTGOING: "The signage you refer to is inadequate to form a contract and you have failed to create a keeper liability under the PoFA 2012 by way of your current actions. In addition, the online resource offered as the first contact represents a major violation of the Data Protection Act also since communication is not encrypted and thus personal information could be intercepted and stolen by third parties. Desist from further communication as this will be construed as harassment and dealt with accordingly." INCOMING: "Thank you for your correspondence concerning the above stated PCN. In light of your claims, the representations stated in your appeal have been noted and upheld. We can confirm this Notice has been cancelled in full and no further action will take place on this occasion."
  13. So why don't we actually do referendums on really useful things: looks like there is a lot of unclear and messy stuff in motoring alone. Someone should be responsible for this mess.
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