Update… though delayed in this update. I decided in the end to take the points etc… I just had too many other things going on in my life to add this to the equation.. bitter pill to take but done and moved on. Thank you for all help and assistance

Just back from the Magistrates court. The case was made that I was speeding and that I paid the fine but didn't submit the paper form and they asked for costs to be applied. I said that I paid the fine and did send the form of which I had a copy. I added that I was sorry if they couldn't find the form or if they were short staffed but that I did send it. The magistrates accepted this to be the case immediately and didn't ask to see my copy of the form. They ordered the original 3 points and the £100 fine but added £40 as a surcharge... which I tried to argue against as I had fulfilled my side of the requirements and have had to take time from work for no fault of my own but they said they are required by law to add it. Miffed about that on principal but guess I should count it as a win. Hopefully I will never be in this situation a gain but lessons learnt are to send everything with POP and photocopy/print and save forms and correspondence . Thank you to everyone who contributed to helping me on this matter

Good morning Man in the Middle, Yes I did request they change my plea from not guilty to guilty and this time i got proof of postage... But the flipping computer I did the letter on crashed so I cant print off a copy. Hopefully if they cant find that one they will accept that I wouldn't send an empty envelop with proof of postage I received their summons on referral to court which says a magistrate has decided should be referred to a full court hearing for a case management hearing. Why oh why they couldn't have just sent me a letter or email saying they couldn't find it .... I'd have sent them a copy of the form. That would save all this money and me from having to take time from my already struggling business ( Hospitality ) Hearing is 1 for 1.30 today.. i'll let you know how I get on. Thanks for all the help and advice

Good morning… just a quick update. I have had a refund of the £100 into my bank account and there is a court hearing this coming Thursday.. I’m not looking forward to that!! Any advice or pointers greatly appreciated! Whilst going through some paperwork I have found that I did take a copy of the completed form which is completed correctly and I definitely sent to them …. though I accept that’s not proof of postage or of them having received the form

Noted Nicky Boy … I think I have just updated. Thank you again for your help

Yes it is a great help. Retail you I will up date on the outcome of this matter. so sorry I thought I had updated on the other matter when I thanked for all the help and said I’d probably just pay the fine. Probably I could have made that clearer. Sorry

Oh wow …. Ok I will make contact with the courts tomorrow and change my plea.

I pleaded not guilty to the SJP

Hi on the third page in very small print it says: conditional offer - paid but licence details not received by HMCTS I have no way of proving that I filled in their form and sent it back. Their postal address is a PO Box in Bradford and so recorded delivery cannot be sent. Indeed this SJP I received last week states the form can be filled in on line or sent into the address provided - though I cannot find any address provided on the form…. Also why they have waited 5.5 months to raise this ‘alledged oversight’ with me

Hi people, thanks for your replies. yes I am 99% sure. I paid the penalty £100 online & then filled the form in & sent it back with my driving licence number on it. (Wish I’d taken a photocopy first,,) The reason I am so sure is that I have forgot to send my licence back in the past .. about 10 years ago & I got a letter reminding me to send it in. On this occasion I rember thinking how much more sensible it is to simply give them my driving licence number. When I got the SJP last week I was totally confused (holiday packing!) I thought it was actually a new format NIP I didn’t know about. So I responded to it (considering deadlines) & indicated I wanted to go to court on the basis that it was 5.5 months after an alleged offence. At this stage I didn’t marry it up to conditional offer of speeding fine Iand 3 points I acknowledged and paid on 18/4/23

Hi people, thanks for your replies. yes I am 99% sure. I paid the penalty £100 online & then filled the form in & sent it back with my driving licence number on it. (Wish I’d taken a photocopy first,,) The reason I am so sure is that I have forgot to send my licence back in the past .. about 10 years ago & I got a letter reminding me to send it in. On this occasion I remember thinking how much more sensible it is to simply give them my driving licence number. When I got the SJP last week I was totally confused (holiday packing!) I thought it was actually a new format NIP I didn’t know about. I responded to it (considering deadlines) & indicated I wanted to go to court on the basis that it was 5.5 months after an alleged offence. At this stage I didn’t marry it up to conditional offer of speeding fine and 3 points I acknowledged and paid on 18/4/23

Hi, I got a Nip 18/4/23 36/30 West Yorkshire. I am 95% sure the form required licence details but not the actual licence. Last week I received a single justice procedure for failing to provide the licence. I do appreciate that they are entitled to do this … however …. I am SURE they changed procedures meaning they could endorse from the submitted licence number abolishing the need to submit the physical licence .. Does anyone have recent experience / knowledge of this change in particular for West Yorkshire as it might be a force specific role out

Mmmm not one hundred percent sure! I remember it was very very windy. I remember seeing the speed van and checking my speed and then thinking is it a dual carriage way and 50 mph in which case I am guilty!!! They are claiming I was doing 81 in a 70 in which case I would have thought I was guilty regardless and this is why I wanted to see the evidence. They have since written to me as requested and confirmed that they will not show the evidence unless i take the risk of going to court

Hi Folks, Thank you for your help and advice. I notified them that I was the driver immediately. I will probably just pay the fine and have the points (I had a speed awareness course 2-3 years ago) It really doesn’t seem fair or right though that they have the evidence yet won’t provide it unless I go to court and risk paying larger amounts. Thanks again for your help

Should have mentioned ... the offence they claim is doing 81mph in a 70 speed limit