TimmyH56
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This morning I received the attached letter from CPP - weird ? CPP letter.pdf
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POPLA victory ! On the grounds that CPP failed to provide any evidence of written authorisation of the landowner or their appointed agent. They said there was no need to consider any other grounds. Thanks to all for help and advice.
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I put the circumstances in the defence as an earlier post said POPLA could refer an appeal back to an operator. Nothing ventured, nothing gained. So POPLA are going to believe CCP's dated signage diagram even though one of the signs is no longer there and the other three are in different car parks ? Plus just saying "it's private land and we have authority" is sufficient ?
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I've taken this to POPLA - my defence and their response (received yesterday) are attached. I've been given seven days to respond but it doesn't look like I can attach any photos to my response. The overhead shot they enclose was taken before the building I parked outside was even built - see attached photo "Site" which shows the present overhead. There are no signs at the entrance and exit of the site - they took them down and were not in place at the time of the incident. They have not given proof they have a contract with the land owner. Advice please - thanks. CPP POPLA Extracted Photos.pdf POPLA Defence.pdf CCP Response.pdf
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The Council definitely own the land but use Patrizia for site management. They bought it as a money generator to obtain the rent paid by all the companies based on the site Our Building Manager contacted Patrizia about the ticket. They know all about my wife breaking her foot in the work car park as she made a statement to them. The same lady said to our Building Manager that because a ticket had been issued, I needed to write to CCP and the charge would be withdrawn. It wasn't. http://warringtonandco.com/property-news/warrington-borough-council-buys-birchwood-park/
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I said what I said in the initial post - my wife had broken her foot on a hazard in the landlord's car park and it had been agreed with our Building Manager that I could park in disabled spaces if the normal car park was full. On the day in question the normal car park was full as well as my company's disabled spaces by butty vans and the like (see example attached) the only space available was in a row of disabled spaces that is not designated to any of the companies who use the car park. I parked where the butty van is parked in the photo. The land owner is now the local Council as of mid-September but I think they use Patrizia as agents who have used CCP for a few years.
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Hi Folks CPP have now rejected my appeal - letter attached. Photos of the signage are also attached. The sign for the car park is actually inside a car park barrier. I was parked outside the barrier. A photo attached taken from where I was parked and sign is highlighted in red. Cheers Rejected appeal.pdf
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ericsbrother - the ticket was 28 Nov not 28 Dec. Ticket, ticket bag uploaded and PCN further redacted and uploaded. Thanks CPP NTK.pdf Ticket.pdf
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My wife and I work for the same company. She broke her foot in November tripping over one of the many spent firework rockets left lying around the work car park by the landlord. After a while she decided to go back to work with a surgical boot and crutches and I agreed with our building manager that if our car park was full I would park in the disabled spaces as our overspill car park is quarter of a mile away. Four spaces are marked up for my company and the other five aren't marked up for anybody. On the morning in question, our four were taken up so I parked in one of the others. I got a ticket from CPP who didn't even query with our reception desk (I've got a company sticker on my windscreen). My company contacted the landlord (who knew my wife had a broken foot) to ask what was going on just got a curt reply saying we shouldn't have been parked in disabled bays that are not ours. We thought it had been dealt with however. Then a PCN arrived so help appreciated folks. Redacted PCN attached. 1 Date of the infringement 28/11/17 2 Date on the NTK [this must have been received within 14 days from the 'offence' date] 29/12/17 3 Date received 03/01/18 4 Does the NTK mention schedule 4 of The Protections of Freedoms Act 2012? [y/n?] Yes 5 Is there any photographic evidence of the event? Yes 6 Have you appealed? {y/n?] post up you appeal] No Have you had a response? [Y/N?] post it up 7 Who is the parking company? Car Parking Partnership (CPP) 8. Where exactly [carpark name and town] Birchwood Business Park, Warrington CPP PCN.pdf
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Result !!!
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Hi again folks NTK now attached
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Many thanks folks, I'll await the NTK
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Master sign and small print photos attached
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Hi Folks We share a car park with another business that doesn't open every day but when they do, their visitors use our spaces as well as their own. We normally park in the adjacent car park where there are always spare spaces then when some our guys go out on the road, we move into our own spaces. I parked in one of the spare spaces at 8.55am and then went down around 10.30am to move it and someone had ticketed me. Copy of both sides of the ticket are attached. The signs around the car park all refer to a "Master Sign" at the entrance which is a quarter of a mile away, obscured by a sign as you drive in and if you stopped to read it you would cause an accident. Photos of the master and small print on the master attached in another post. Can you help ?
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