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sorry did not think to put on same place. thanks for merging. and yes he does have some points but i don't quite understand what he wants, no complaints from other staff and the owner actually stopped me from helping the other staff which most likely created a barrier. i actually have 2 grievances. thanks my line manager actually said to me he feels like they are taking pots and me and now he says im being paranoid. i have 7 days to reply.
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hi . it does ot have union. and small workplace thanks
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Hi all during a meeting after raising another grievance re harassment, my line manager told me i was being paranoid. he did not give me the option of companion. and for the first time stated that it is difficult to speak to anybody whom you have little or no confidence in when they perceive you are recording all conversations in a book and reflecting back on them, all business's work on trust relationship, being able to speak to staff openly (which i do ), and in your case you are isolating yourself , people are avoiding talking to you or receiving comments from you as they believe you may use it later against them, this then becomes a breakdown in the working relationship and little or no trust. ( dont know where this has come from apart from the fact my line manager said this was from the owners- who i complained about) the owner made a comment about my speech saying something about waffeling , i also added this in my grievance and he replied that when i am anxious i loose track of what i want to say and he has told me to focus and stick to topic and he said it was appropriate. (actually lady kept repeating herself and asking me the same question over and over again and if i was anxious because of this and ended up waffeling i dont think that was my fault and hence inappropraie to mention it. ) Not sure how i dhould respond to these. im struggling with understanding comments about someones perception of me apparently recording all conversations? i have recorded instances of harrassment at home, but what does he mean. no complaints from staff members or comments from staff passed on from my line manager. could anyone help with response ideas. thanks very very much
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ok i have to pay new CRB as owners want every 3 years. i cant afford, offered payments and eventually settled £10 a month for 5 months . and guess what they took about £20 of my wages without my consent.i already told them that even £10 was going to be a struggle as one of the lowest paid employees. and they chose to take out £20.. no wonder i am seriously struggling with food costs. ive emailed them asking for the money back straight away, (yesterday) they emailed back saying they will reply to my email when they get back from holiday which is 21st September. it was not an automated response she had actually typed message to say she would not respond until then.. One of the other owners has now decided to run shod over the activity commitee which is myself and 2 family members. she had chosen date and time sent letter out for committee meeting without checking the committee members can attend, shes send letter out to family members saying she wants to organize treasures, chair people etc, when we already have. there is a rumor going round she wants to use residents social money to buy a piece of medical equipment, owners are not allowed to take over voluntary and existing committee members, she did say in one of her ad hoc meetings she was going to be watching activities- meaning me.. but is now trying to take over the committee. as regards to meetings any meeting held without the actual committee present are not legal in line with business accounts are they? she refused one of the committee members signing a cheque to get petty cash out to buy items for residents use, ..any thoughts would be appreciated. im not sure what i can do about the money being taken without my consent -but i have proof of the request for £10 only shall i raise complaint or grievance over money? i re emailed to owners again stating i want the money paid back at 1622. i had rely at 0026 stating again the i am not going to respond until i come back from holiday. so again it was not an automated response due to time lapse. if the employer had bothered to tell me they had given the wage slips to the nurses i would have known sooner. this person who replied again was the person named in previous greivance- still no news on that too- investigating line manager said he wanted my medical report first. i had also hurt my arm at work-underlying medical condition prob didnt help) they had dodgy door handle and 4 weeks later im having bad pain in wrist so it hurts to write. one of the partners left a lap top and said i could use. i was going to use as wrist getting worse but missy has taken the laptop stating she wants to make sure their is nothing on it before use. so now writing with pain. one of the owners stated i now have to ring the doorbell to gain entry instead of her replacing the faulty door handle.. god what a mess.
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Hi Emmzzi, no no outcome yet still waiting.Investigating line manager has had trouble getting responses from owners. I am looking for other work already but am restricted due to medical conditions, will keep trying. thanks Emmzzi.
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Hi again I now have received 3 more emails. One was sent to my line manager asking him to book training for the senior care staff member (who has been given my jobs-she has now taken over all staff personnel files) the training was for movement to music for people with dementia. the email was not sent to myself-even though i am the activity co-ordinator, and as i book the training i had been given it by my line manager.And other staff were asked to be booked onto this training , not me. another email from person named in grievance- saying training matrix was out of date- which it was not, so i replied to her about this. Next email from owner - she had stated in ad hoc meeting that she would now be watching activities-meaning me. she send me an email now saying she wants to attend the meetings, has disregarded the actual committee,which includes myself and chosen a date, shes said going to post letter out to all the families without even consulting, and has told us she wants us to refrain from spending money on social stuff for the residents saying we don't ask their permission- stupid!, they have dementia , i do a best interest decision and inform the committee members. So she is now trying to impede my work in other ways, more indirectly.The owners are not really allowed to interfere with resident fund committee, but they seem to want to now take over that. I am still waiting for grievance hearing minutes and results. hearing took place 18th july and it seems since this date they are picking holes etc wherever they can.. Today i ended up retching at work and had to leave a residents room, to get some air. Next step. do i need to raise another grievance for victimization as this is what im feeling, or still wait for hearing minutes and then do another grievance etc.. Thanks hugely again for your advice,
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thanks both
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what are the rules when employer alters the minutes and conveniently looses the originals? if not accurate do i have to still sign them but state the inacuracies? regards all for your help
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thanks raydetinu, i have been keeping a record for over a year and evidence. will do contact ACAS again after then thanks
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Pusillanimous re-mail Thanks, but so you know person name in grievance has opened private and confidential snail mail,Even though clearly marked Private and confidential it was addressed to the person investigating. I had to do another letter advised by ACAS and she still opened the mail.
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Hi the chair person stated meeting confidential, the brother taking notes has told the person named in the grievanceevrything ive said . I have wrote letter to chair person but he is leaving shortly. The grievance was raised 4th june and still not closed Thanks Honeybee. Was not sure if i should have put together or start new thread. thanks again. Im now concerned as stated about main owner trying to criticize my work etc, as above. and meeting due monday. im still waiting for outcome on grievance but owners ad-hoc meetings etc fogging
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Hi all I raised a grievance at work with regard to harassment, bullying and other. one of the partners/ owners i have named is also related to the other 2 owners/partners. After being much messed about, I asked that the brother in writing does not attend due to conflict of interest. I was overridden and the brother came as note taker. At the end of grievance hearing the meeting was declared confidential, and must not leave the room. The brother has informed the person named in the grievance everything that was said at the meeting and the named person has now been ringing around the witnesses to the additional disclosure of health information without my consent to outsiders and discrimination. The brother has also mentioned grievance in public. The brother has not given his notes or typed up the notes-deadline was Friday 9th. The person named in grievance not answered questions on the allegations. The main owner is the person who is meant to hear appeal if it goes this far, but she has called for 2 ad hoc meetings and discussed things that were in the grievance and then denied knowing anything about the grievance. she now has told me off and picking holes in my work even for reporting to my line manager faulty equipment-which i am legally obliged to report under the health and safety at work act. I am now feeling victimized for raising a grievance. I have written a letter now about the breach of confidentiality and feeling victimized. the initial grievance now is going to be totally fogged due to their interference and messing about-not following their own employee handbook. The person who is investigating the grievance is also getting messed about and owners want meeting with him monday, i expect to discuss my grievance-yet again not following guidelines. if the main owner and person named and brother all get together to discuss i have no one to appeal to, what next. thanks for any advice.
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Hi again Please could you kindly answer. I f i send a grievance letter from home to my work email to print off, rather stupidly(medical condition) as my home printer was broken, if the owners read and pass on the info even though email was marked private and confidential to the person named in the grievance can they be held accountable. The home manager is on annual leave this week, and i wanted to get the letter ready for his return .he has to deal with letters of this nature as per my contract. The owners i forgot are always looking at my emails. i understand that most companies do. in fact they open them and leave opened so i often miss emails. the homes policy states that " if the email is confidential the user must ensure that the necessary steps are taken to protect confidentiality. The home will be liable for infringing copyright or any defamatory information that is circulated either within the home or to external users of the system. They do not have a policy that says everything is looked at etc, there is no privacy etc The owners have informed the person who the letter was about, about me raising an issue, before even the home manager has seen it.. surely they are breaching their own grievance policy too ? which states that grievances are to go to home manager in the first instance? I have written that im happy for him to deal with this when he gets back from annual leave -monday 8th july. the person in question started questioning me about it today and denied all allegations (verbal abuse), the correct procedure for grievance is to have meeting to discuss issues, not called to ad hoc chats.. What are your opinions. Regards , thanks very much for your time
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will do thanks
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Thanks for all advice Emmzzi and erics brother Just so you know i never even had a written reply to my grievance even though i asked for one within 10 days. letter was wrote 4th june. I will do another one asking for written response, will try my best- it's very hard dealing with aggressive employers who are all related- except the home manager. The home manager is now on annual leave for 2 weeks.Things will be difficult but will try my best. question -who do i write to now home manager is on annual leave to ask for written response to my initial letter? Thank you so very much, will keep you posted on events. Kind Regards
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