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Old 19th May 2008, 23:09   #1 (permalink)
Tonka99
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Default British Gas Business v Tonka 99

Hello all

This is an ongoing dispute from May last year .
We have a Business which we moved into on 1st Feb 07
Had another Business before but a larger site and found
BGB ok so we thought ok we will continue with them .

Things were fine for about three months then the monthly
statements came in getting higher each month going from
roughly between £350.00to £400.00 per month then in May
they jumped up to £523.00 well i called BG and asked why
only to be fobbed of with its because you have used more units
well ok how can we, we have the same opening hours use the
same lights cooking ect its not possible.
Well we have whats called a Smart meter which does not need
anyone to check as its read by BG from supply end.
well June and July came and went more calls to our BG business
manager still the same reply then in August the statement was for
£354.04 so i thought great they have sorted it bearing in mind
im paying by DD every month the next statement was the last
straw. Thats it im not paying that it was for £693.77 so of i went
to the bank and stopped the DD.
Now its Oct on the 9th i received a statement you owe us £693.77
on the 12th Oct another statement You owe us £1812.31 on the
31st Oct you owe us £3775.74

I rang our BG Business manager and asked what was going on she
said she would look into it and call me back , didnt

Two weeks later had a call from her to say that there had been
a mistake on the meter reads the tarriff was the wrong way round
day time should be night time or something i said that this needed
to be put in writing as im confused as to what she meant.
Two weeks went by and heard nothing still had not paid them
then out of the blue came 11 credit notes with no explanation
now three of these did not have our acount number but another
account no which added to the confusion the credits showed a
progressive increase from March to Sept , also that the billing had
started in Nov 06 well we didnt get here untill Feb07, the other thing
is that on the statements were Estimates now if you have a Smart
meter you do not get Estimates .
In Nov we had a choice pay up or be disconnected so it was suggested
that we pay £900.00 a month to include the DEBT well as you can imagine
thats sure a lot off dosh each month for electric anyway Xmas came and
went , in Jan 08 we could not find the £900.00 to pay the DD so bank
charges £35.00 three days later they tried again Another £35.00 bank
charge then the next week again another £35.00 bank charge well thats
it so i stopped the DD .
Had a letter from BGB to say you have not paid ect , so at my wits end
went to the CAB who where great they contacted our BG bm and wrote
a letter to them looking for some explanations as to how the so called
debt came about , the reply came back this is how it is this is all units
used and a DD needs to be set up again to repay well got no where
really and still paying of the said debt , after finding this site which
has been a lifesaver for me thanks to all the support help and kind people
on here , decided to S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) BGB well off it went back in April , had a letter
from them last week saying we need some ID from u well they used up
25 days to tell me that , i have been following another thread by chris77
soz chris forgot your handle , he has been having same problem with his
Subject Access Request and recieved much the same reply asking for ID he wrote a great
letter on his thread which i tweaked a bit sent off with all the ID needed
Well its for my husband as the account is in his name anyway sent it
SD on thursday got mine back on Sat SD however as always with BG
they havent sent one statement no reads no tarriffs only a computor
readout of transations which is as clear as mud to me, so im going to
send a letter of non compliance now they have only a few days left.
soz this has been so long drawn out i am having no luck with these
people and could do with some advice

very many thanks to all who have read this

Cheers T99
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Old 20th May 2008, 01:35   #2 (permalink)
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Hi Tonka,

Clearly this'll take time to sort properly.

However, as eack week and month passes, the debt will continue to grow while you're NOT paying it monthly.

So why not make some sort of monthly payment by cheque so at least the debt is not escalating because of the delay in getting the overall problem sorted. Pay something every month by cheque in the meantime.

Otherwise, out of the blue, they'll be round to disconnect.

Because of the probs you've had with this so far, I'd insist on a manager coming out to see you to get it sorted once and for all.
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Old 20th May 2008, 01:47   #3 (permalink)
Tonka99
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Hi Slick

soz i dont seem to have made myself clear , am now paying
£960.00 a month have been since Feb so the debt so called
is being paid ,my a point is that i dont belive that we owe it
in the 1st place

thanks for your help
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Old 20th May 2008, 15:25   #4 (permalink)
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just in case, make sure the serial number on your meter matches the one on the bills EXACTLY. Any discrepancy and its not your bill. Ask Enerywatch to check it on the central register also - my meter number was registered at 2 different addresses - potentially double bills!

If they take the readings at supply end this is entirely possible - and especially if other account no's started appearing. please have a check.
And good luck, they really are beyond belief

Just in case!
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Old 20th May 2008, 21:26   #5 (permalink)
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Hi Tonka,

Glad to hear your paying money each month, but that's a hell of a whack !!

I'd still try and get a manager out to resolve it quickly.

Have you looked at changing suppliers, or at least threatened BGB with it.
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Old 20th May 2008, 22:37   #6 (permalink)
Tonka99
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Hello Slick

We are in a bound contract well thats what they told me for
three years .

Regarding the Subject Access Request not giving me what info i feel i need ie
Full amount of monthly statements
The tarriffs for each differant meter .
The contract details as we have never signed any thing
it was done over the telephone , in the bumf they have
sent so far there is no mention of the origanal phone call
surely these things should all be included .
I think i will write and ask for what i need and say the clock
is ticking .
Regarding asking for a Manager to come here well seeing as we
have never had anyone from BG here never i dont think thats
very likly

any way will write letter of non complince now

cheers for your help T99
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Old 20th May 2008, 23:43   #7 (permalink)
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Presumably, the Subject Access Request should disclose details of the terms of the contract.

In any event, if they fail to provide you with a decent level of service, you could break the contract on the basis of their failure.

Perhaps I'm being optimistic about a manager coming out to see you, but you could insist someone in authority or senior ensures the problems are resolved swiftly (in an ideal world).
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Old 21st May 2008, 00:00   #8 (permalink)
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Hi Slick
just finished the letter to them with what I am looking for
from them .
I have a file so thick from them with statements letters ect
so I know they have all the info they do not want to supply
it because there has been a mix up .
the person we bought from went bankrupt so me thinks that
we are having to pay off his arrears now i know they will deny
that but just looked at the last guys tarriff it was weekday unit 8.440
now ours is 12.280:o
night unit for him 5.130 for us 6.300
eve & weekend for him 8.240 for us 10.120
will fight till the death on this as we are not to blame for there mistakes
there has been lots more problems over the time but to many to list
and as i have so many things on the go at the moment could really
do without BGB .
when i get all the info back THEN i shall make a formal complaint to
who ever will listen to me .

thanks for your support
cheers T99
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Old 21st May 2008, 00:49   #9 (permalink)
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Tonka,

Just wondering if the difference between your tariff and that of previous occupant may be explained because of the huge rises in the price of gas, particulary over the last year or two.
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Old 21st May 2008, 01:03   #10 (permalink)
Tonka99
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Hi Slick

well on the 31st Jan 07 his tarriff was as i have said, and on the
1st Feb 07 it shot up for us dame shame for us

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Old 21st May 2008, 01:05   #11 (permalink)
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Hi Slick

soz we have our electric with them not gas we are on LPG here
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Old 21st May 2008, 23:29   #12 (permalink)
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Hi Tonka,

Aha, LOL !!

So are you saying the unit rate per KWh rose when you took over.

Well, if this didn't coincide with a general rise for all customers, you should ask for an explanation about it.
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Old 22nd May 2008, 00:41   #13 (permalink)
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Hello Slick

Yes im just waiting for all the info to come back then look out
will of course need some expert help
Have sent speical delivery today letter of non complince with
what i really would like them to produce for me , have also said
they have only got seven days left

thanks for stopping by
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Old 19th June 2008, 03:06   #14 (permalink)
Tonka99
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Hello all

UPDATE

Have received all the other info i asked for in my non complience
letter , in with this it was said that the contract details would be
requested and sent on .
have today received this from them

<a href="bgbletter.jpg - Image - Photobucket - Video and Image Hosting" target="_blank"><img src="http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n.../bgbletter.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>
http://i302.photobucket.com/albums/n...exwarranty.jpg

Now check the date of the letter 02 june 2008

Welcome to British Gas Business in short ; your Electricity supply
has been successfully transferred to British Gas business.


Next : Extended Agreement for supply of Gas or Electricity or both

check out the tarrifs
Standing charge 203.61 p/day

eve & w/end unit charge 10.12 p/kWh
night unit charge 6.3 p/kWh
weekday charge 12.28 p/kWh

at the bottem of the page ; Accepted for and on behalf of the
customer ; Signature as agreed by phone

This is not funny anymore we are having to pay £960.00 by D/D
every month for something we do not owe .

Any one know what we can do im at my wits end and trying to find
all this money evry month is a nightmare .

thanks for looking

T99


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Old 19th June 2008, 11:32   #15 (permalink)
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Hi Tonka, am gobsmacked. How can they justify any of this??? Have you spoken to the Energy Ombudsman yet? I have not found anything saying they cannot deal with business accounts also. Will put their link on just in case, they do have powers to kick BG's butt.

Are BG saying you are not allowed to put the account in dispute? Surely they must follow a legal procedure for business, as for anyone else, before they can take any action. If you could just get it legally in dispute it would take the immediate money pressure off while you fight them.

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Read some of their case reviews, they do come through for people.

Seriously, wish I could help, rooting for you, good luck.
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Old 19th June 2008, 14:30   #16 (permalink)
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Hi Tonka,

The standing charge of £2.04/day doesn't sound huge to me, ie just over £60/month. I see you " 'd " about it so do you think thats too high.

How do the tariffs and standing chge compare to other providers.

Have you yet got a break-down of the monthly or quarterly readings so you can tally them to your opening and your present readings.