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Eurostar
BankFodder
Published by BankFodder
11th July 2007
Unhappy Eurostar

I have had to travel to Europe pretty regularly over the last few years or so.
The Eurostar has been a Godsend. I still remember the shocking few months when the Chunnel was closed after a blazing lorry was carried into the tunnel and eventually destroyed itself, other vehicles and seriously damaged the tunnel.
The return to cross-channel air travel came as a bad shock.

Now that the London terminal is to be moved from Waterloo to Kings Cross, for me it gets even better.

However, one thing that I have noticed over a number of years is the deterioration in standards of cleanliness, food and staff attitudes.

Despite a recent change of upholstery the interior of the carriages still generally look tired and over-used and the choice of a plain grey as the new upholstery colour certainly reinforces a certain Sovietique feel about the way the service is run.
The frequency with which I find that the toilets are either broken or are lacking in water, soap, or paper (and some times all three) points to a serious deficiency at management level.
Food is cliched and uninspiring despite some marketing guru's attempt to use lavish descriptive terms to describe, for instance, a relatively simple sandwich: it just doesn't work.

I don't know who came up with the design of their catering provision but Eurostar have definitely got it the wrong way round by supplying English quality food and French quality service because the catering staff are by and large all French - and it shows as serving with a smile and trying to keep down the queuing time does not seem to be one of their priorities. In fact you can see this very French approach to interpersonal relations as soon as you hand your passport to the French armed police at Waterlooo station. Gruff or silent and much more interested in talking to their mates - very different from the very friendly outgoing, un-uniformed and un-armed British immigration officials on the other side. (What are the rules of engagement for French armed police on UK soil anyway?)
Why it was beyond the wit of the Eurostar planners to have a little competition amongst their caterers is beyond me. They could even have invited Pret a Manger to tender and we might have had almost perfect sandwiches with friendly outgoing disposition all in one - and they have a ready-made French name as well.
Trop complique!


TIP:- I regularly complain about these problems and quite often get a free travel voucher by way of compensation.
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By ScarletPimpernel on 11th July 2007, 15:47
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I travelled on Eurostar to Paris for a weekend break. We flew from Belfast, and then travelled to Waterloo by Tube and taxi (tip: Laandan's cabbies won't accept NI banknotes, neatly doing themselves out of a tip). One advantage of the train is that it cuts out all the waiting for baggage and then the journey into Paris from the airport; we were able to walk to our hotel.

When I booked, I had the chance to upgrade to first class cheaply, and wish I'd taken it. Our carriage was complete with the usual screaming child (accompanied by dull-eyed, slack-jawed parents who did nothing), and a group of extremely irritating Americans who were both loud and terminally boring. The seating was rather cramped and the carriages looked as if they weren't cleaned after each journey.

Overall, I'd use it again, but would take the upgrade.

Not sure what the ROE are for the French police at Waterloo, but we have our own officials at the French end. They are amongst the surliest policemen anywhere. Of course, Admiral Nelson had much to say about the French; clearly they have changed little since his time!
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By tomterm8 on 11th July 2007, 20:05
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from http://cps.gov.uk/legal/section2/chapter_f.html#_Toc445706 47

Officers' Authority in the Control Zones

Within the control zone, officers of the adjoining State are permitted to exercise any power of arrest conferred by a frontier control enactment or conferred by the Police and Criminal Evidence Act, 1984 in respect of an offence under such an enactment relating to frontier controls of their own State; and shall be permitted to detain or arrest persons sought by the authorities of their own State or wanted on warrant and conduct such persons to the territory of their State (Sangatte Protocol Article 10(1); 1993 Order Article 3(2); Tripartite Protocol Article 3(1); 1994 Order Schedule 2 Part II).
A person sought by the authorities of their own State has been defined in the 1993 Order as a person whose name or description, or both, together with particulars of an arrestable offence, (within the meaning of Section 24 of PACE) of which there are reasonable grounds for suspecting him to be guilty, have been made available by a Chief Officer of Police to other such officers (1993 Order Schedule 3 Paragraph 2(l)(c)).
With regard to through trains from Belgium, Belgian and French officers have, to the extent specified in the Tripartite Articles rights, obligations and powers to carry out functions in the UK (1994 Order Article 3(2)).
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By 1stlifeline on 19th July 2007, 22:15
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We used Eurostar a couple of years ago. Whilst in France I developed an abcess under a tooth and was in absolute agony. On the day we were due to return we had tickets for 7pm. We got to the terminal early morning and begged to be allowed to board an earlier train. We were refused as we could not afford to pay the ticket change rate. The trains were not fully booked and of course they dont stop to pick up between Paris and Ashford so it would have hurt no one to let us home early. As it was I had to go to the emergency dept at Ashford hospital when we finally got back at 11 pm. I had passed out with the pain in the Paris terminal and my partner had begged them to let us on but they were completely unflexible.
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