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Old 25th January 2008, 12:22   #1 (permalink)
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Dear All,

This is my first post on the forum, so please excuse me if my post isn't quite clear, it is an unusual situation and I will do my best to explain it. It is a long post, but I wanted to include as much detail as possible. Hopefully someone will be able to offer advice

At the age of 15 years I was offered a place at university, and began my degree at 16 years of age (in 1998 ).

During this point in time, my finances were entirely managed by my father, as well as all maintenance related issues. He requested that I take out a Student Loan with the Student Loans Company, and I had no say in this matter - as a child under his guardianship I could not go against his word. So at the age of 16 (or perhaps just before turning 16), I was granted a loan by the Student Loan company, for the duration of my studies. This was also the case for my younger brother (who entered University aged 12) - a loan from the Students Loan company was also taken out in his name when he was 12 years old.

Neither of us were over 18 at the time of 'signing the contracts for the loan'.

We now both have debts with the Student Loan company of over £15,000 each - yet we were basically 'compelled' to sign for the loans when we were children. My father is no longer in contact with the family, and since all the documentation was handled by him nearly ten years ago, it is proving very difficult for my brother and I to resolve this situation - what is especially concerning is that these loans are increasing with interest every year. My father was in charge of our bank accounts and paperwork, so essentially, I am having to 'chase everything up from the beginning, which was nearly ten years ago'.

After some research on this issue, I came across the following legal notes:

http://www.occamsystems.co.uk/partne...ts_binding.pdf

My understanding is that I entered into a contract when I was under the age of 18, so could this contract could be considered as a 'prejudicial contract', as was outlined in the above article.

As children, we were not expected to question any 'money matters' whilst studying at university, but we now have debts totaling £30,000. I doubt the two of us could have spent that amount of money on our university education - we stayed at home during our university days!

Given the above situation, do you feel that our Student Loans could be considered prejudicial contracts?

Secondly, if this is a prejudicial contract, do I have the right to argue that the loan should be written-off, given that I was under 18 at the time of being given the loan?

I have been researching this issue online and contacted various companies/law advisers (Citizen's Advice Bureau, Local Education Authorities, etc.) but they are either confused, or say that I should take this issue up elsewhere.

However, my main concern is that the loans will simply increase whilst nothing is resolved. The Student Loan Company have been particularly unhelpful. Here is my correspondence with them so far:

(1) I called them on December the 5th, they asked me to call the LEA to discuss the issue, who said the loan was nothing to do with them. The same day, I again phoned the SLC. After speaking to his manager, the adviser asked me to write a letter to the Bothwell House address, explaining "The reasons why I felt I shouldn't have to pay the loan". I sent a letter on the same day.

(2) By early January, I had heard nothing from them. I again called the SLC - this adviser spoke to her manager and then said "You have to pay the loan regardless of your situation". When I mentioned that under 18's could not take out loans with banks, she said "Our student loans are different" and many people take out student loans when they are under 18. She was very rude. I asked whether there was a possibility of having a guarantor, as we were much younger than 18 at the time of loans, but she said "There are no guarantors with student loans". When I asked whether or not they were going to reply to my letter, she said it would take about two weeks from the date that it was received (10th of Dec.)

(3) At this point, I did my own research, to find the information mentioned earlier - loans are not legally binding for under 18's, as they are prejudicial contracts. They only way for a loan to be upheld is if (a) I had a guarantor, or (b) I ratified the agreement at 18. The SLC said there were no guarantors, and my brother graduated before he was 18 years old - the SLC certainly didn't ask him to ratify the loan agreement after graduation!

(4) With this information I again called the SLC last week. After speaking to an adviser (who again spoke to his manager for a long time), he said the loan is binding, because I would have either had a guarantor, or ratified it. When I pointed out that this was highly unlikely, he said he would look into it, and get back to me within a week.

Up until today, they have still sent nothing to me, and it has been over a week now. They have not even replied to my original letter that was sent a month ago. So, what should I do now?

I believe they are doing nothing, because they really do not have a valid reason for asking me to repay the loan. Which is why they have changed their arguments every time I've called them, and not responded to any of my requests for information regarding the nature of the contract that was signed when I was under-age.

The problem is that the loans are building interest, and secondly, once I start work soon (I'm currently a PHD student) they can just take the money from my salary.

How should I:

(a) Get the SLC to cancel the loan - so far they haven't even responded to my letters, so should I write a more 'legal' request for information?

(b) Is there any way to stop them from taking money directly from my salary once I start work, since the loan is under dispute?

I would be very very grateful for any advice that could be given, as the SLC are both unresponsive and unhelpful... I have contacted CAB etc. but they just say "It is unusual case, you need specialist help".

Hopefully someone here can help me...
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Old 26th January 2008, 00:57   #2 (permalink)
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Default Re: Loan given to student aged under 18 - do I have to repay it?

To be honest, I think you should just pay the loan.

You have said that you were 'under his Guardianship' and as he arranged the loans on your behalf. Even though you were under 18 at the time, your father acted as guarantor for you by arranging this.

If you had not taken out the loan would you have still been able to go to university?

In addition, paying the loan back is not really a problem. I pay £20 a month. They will not take a huge sum out of your salary as it works on a percentage of your earnings. £20 a month is not really a big deal for me.
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Old 26th January 2008, 01:03   #3 (permalink)
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Were the loans taken out in England or Scotland?
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Old 27th January 2008, 18:42   #4 (permalink)
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Thanks for your replies - the loans were taken out in England, and I went to University in England.

As for for going to university without the loans, I really don't know. We lived with our parents whilst at university (who were in charge of all the finances etc.).

When I contacted my local LEA, they said that most under 18's will receive some kind of support for their education, and they wondered why we didn't get any help at the time.

But my 12-year old brother and I ended up with loans instead - just because we we happened to be 'ahead' of our peers. It seems that there are financial penalties if you are able to cover university material at a young age, unfortunately....

I would certainly pay the loans back if I had made the choice to take them out myself, as an adult. All my current studies have been paid for/sponsored, and I have no other debt.

But it is just the principle of the matter that is ridiculous. It means that any child could get a loan from the SLC on instruction from their guardian, who is in completely in charge of their interests.

However, according to the SLC, it is the child who will then have to repay the loan, even though they had no choice over the situation. My brother wasn't even legally allowed to work full-time when he graduated university, but the SLC holds him responsible for repayments, not my father.
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Old 27th January 2008, 18:58   #5 (permalink)
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This seems interesting as the CCA states that you cannot give credit to those under the age of 18, who signed the paperwork? and did they do so as a guarantor?
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Old 27th January 2008, 19:19   #6 (permalink)
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My understanding is that a credit contract is not significantly different to any other contract as a minor, and is voidable in common law by the minor at his/her option unless it is a contract of employment OR a contract for necessities. Such a decion would be subject to equitable law.

The consumer credit act 1974, as amended, includes provision (s113) for the creditor to seek to recover money from a guarantor if the minor does this.


The Minor's Contract Act 1987 sets out the rules relating to the contractual capacity of minors. Basically two kinds of contract negotiated by a minor are valid
1) contracts for the supply of goods and services which are necessaries i.e. Nash v Inman 1908 and
2) a service or educational contract which is for the benefit of the minor.

The problem however is that you are no longer minors.
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Old 27th January 2008, 19:23   #7 (permalink)
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i thought the minors contract act also dealt with ratifying an agreement on majority or have i misread the act?
The question I can see is necessity, is it a necessity that it was taken out in the first place?
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There may be a time limit for bringing an action on majority, unfortunately I don't know which English Act identifies this (I know the Scottish one but I'll need to ask about the English one - usually the two legal systems are similar in such respects).
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Old 27th January 2008, 19:55   #9 (permalink)
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I found this on a solicitors website
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Contracts where the minor may avoid the affect of the contract are for the acquisition of a legal or equitable interest in property of a permanent nature, such as shares, land, marriage and partnerships. Other contracts require positive ratification in order to be enforceable, which includes contracts for debts and the sale of goods that are not for necessaries. The ratification must take the form of an acknowledgement that the debt is binding after attaining the age of 18. Fresh consideration is not required for the ratification to be complete.
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Thanks for the information. I also understood that in order for a contract of debt to hold, it needed to be ratified - I don't think this happened in our case. Certainly, apart from the original contract in 1998, I can't remember signing anything.

My brother graduated when he was a minor, and has never received any further paperwork from the SLC apart from repayment details, so I have a strong suspicion that we did not ratify our contracts.

Furthermore, when I inquired about our original contracts, and who would have signed the, the adviser said, "Student loans do not have guarantors".

At the same time, when I asked whether it would be possible to locate the original contracts, in order to see the signatures and terms and conditions, she said they probably no longer had them...

It looks like:

(1) We did not have guarantors

(2) We did not ratify our contracts

The problem is that now the SLC is claiming that one (or both) of the above did occur (i.e. someone acted as a guarantor/agreement was ratified). Yet they will not provide any evidence of this, and have not even responded to my initial written inquiry regarding the situation.

So how can I request evidence of the above?
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Hmmm. At the time you were at Uni your SL would not have been expected to cover your university fees. They would have been down to your parents depending on their income scale if their income was below a certain level the LEA would have paid them. although new rules came into force last year with regards to fee's.

With regards to maintenance the way I see it is your parent's had a duty to support you since you were under their care and living at home.

So since you did not see any of the Loan You were not liable for uni fee's as you were not classed as a independent student and your parents had a duty to provide for you, you have not said whether or not you are still in contact with you father. If you are I think I would be suing him for the balance of the loan and make him repay it. If he's not around maybe you could seek the assistance of the CAB or a solicitor you may be entitled to legal aid??? I would definitely not leave it as it is as your right it will not go away the SL company are horrid to deal with and they will use every resource to track you down these loans do not become time barred after 6 years.

A lot of parents would have taken out the loan only to put it in to a higher interest account so that you would be earning from it not spending it then expect you to foot the bill.

I do hope you get it sorted. Good Luck!!

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At the same time, when I asked whether it would be possible to locate the original contracts, in order to see the signatures and terms and conditions, she said they probably no longer had them...
Exactly which type of student loan are these? Are they the old (I think pre 199 type where you make a fixed monthly repayment or the new type where money is deducted from your wages?

This point is actually quite important as if they are the old type and the original contracts are no longer available, it's game over as the debts would then be unenforceable against anybody.

If however they are the new type, then a S.A.R - (Subject Access Request) request will get copies of absolutely everything they have at which point it should be obvious if you and your brother are liable to repay them. You will have to do a request each, at £10 each, and you will find a template letter which you can adapt in the bank charges forum.
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Hang on-

1) Loans were taken out in merc48's name when a child and living at home

2) merc48 never even saw the money

3) merc48 now apparently owes SLC £30K

4) merc48's dad did all the paperwork and is no longer on the scene


This begs the question as to where all the money went...


Do I smell something piscine?
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Thanks for all the replies, I will try to address them one-by-one.

I don't think we paid the fees for the university itself, as my parents were probably classified as low income. So the money received from the SLC was maintenance money. We lived in a rented house with our parents and siblings close to university (one of the university conditions was that we had to remain living with our family, since we weren't allowed to stay on campus).

My father was in control of the money received from the SLC, since we obviously did not deal with the accommodation costs etc. I could guess that the money may have gone to pay for the house rental? But I don't know, because we were really kept unaware of the finances.

I don't own £30k to the SLC, that is the total amount owned by my brother and I. Individually, we own about £15k each (as we graduated a while ago, the interest has unfortunately built up over the years).

I believe the loans are the 'new type' as I began my degree in the autumn of 1998. So we just missed out on the old loans.

I would really like to see the original contracts, just to see the truth of the situation. I've actually made a formal complaint to the SLC because, despite my frequent requests, they have not come back to me with any updates, apart from contradictory information from the advisers over the telephone.

If the original contracts prove that one of my parents was a guarantor, I will probably pay the money back myself, as I did end up with a degree, whatever the conditions were in which the loan was taken out.

But if there is no-one liable apart from myself, with no ratification as an adult, then I believe the SLC has acted irresponsibly.

I guess I will await the results of the complaint, and also prepare to request my documents back using S.A.R if I hear nothing.
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A s.77 request for a true copy of the original agreement under the Consumer Credit Act 1974 would probably be your best bet.

They have to supply you with it or the debt is unenforceable.




x your address x

x your name x

x Date x

xxxaccount-numbersxx


s.77 Consumer Credit Act 1974


Dear Sir/Madam,

Under s.77 of the CCA1974 you are ordered to supply a true copy of my original credit agreement and any other document referered to in it.

I enclose Postal Order to value £1.

Yours Sincerely,

DO NOT SIGN IT! (ok, your Dad signed for you, but they have been known to get busy with photoscanners and cut and paste- you dig?)

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