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    • Euro have got a lot wrong and have failed to comply with the Protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule 4.  According to Section 13 after ECP have written to Arval they should then send a NTH to the Hirer  which they have done.This eliminates Arval from any further pursuit by ECP. When they wrote to your company they should have sent copies of everything that they asked Arval for. This is to prove that your company agree what happened on the day of the breach. If ECP then comply with the Act they are allowed to pursue the hirer. If they fail, to comply they cannot make the hirer pay. They can pursue until they are blue in the face but the Hirer is not lawfully required to pay them and if it went to Court ECP would lose. Your company could say who was driving but the only person that can be pursued is the Hirer, there does not appear to be an extension for a driver to be pursued. Even if there was, because ECP have failed miserably to comply with the Act  they still have no chance of winning in Court. Here are the relevant Hire sections from the Act below.
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I shall not mention who it is here at the moment just in case he would rather I didn't but I greatly appreciate the time he took working through that issue with me. I spent 20+ years of working in an industry that rules and regulations had to be strictly adhered to, indeed, exams had to be taken in order that one had to become qualified in those rules and regulations in order to carry out the duties of the post. In a way, such things as PoFA 2012 are rules and regulations that are not completely alien to me. It has been very enjoyable for me to learn these regulations and the law surrounding them. I wish I had found this forum years ago. I admit that perhaps I had been too keen to express my opinions given that I am still in the learning process. After a suitable period in this industry I became Qualified to teach the rules and regulations and I always said to those I taught that there is no such thing as a stupid question. If opinions, theories and observations are put forward, discussion can take place and as long as the result is that the student is able to clearly see where they went wrong and got to that moment where the penny drops then that is a valuable learning experience. No matter how experienced one is, there is always something to learn and if I did not know the answer to a question, I would say, I don't know the answer to that question but I will go and find out what the answer is. In any posts I have made, I have stated, “unless I am wrong” or “as far as I can see” awaiting a response telling me what I got wrong, if it was wrong. If I am wrong I am only too happy to admit it and take it as a valuable learning experience. I take the point that perhaps I should not post on other peoples threads and I shall refrain from doing so going forward. 🤐 As alluded to, circumstances can change, FTMDave made the following point that it had been boasted that no Caggers, over two years, who had sent a PPC the wrong registration snotty letter, had even been taken to court, let alone lost a court hearing .... but now they have. I too used the word "seemed" because it is true, we haven't had all the details. After perusing this forum I believe certain advice changed here after the Beavis case, I could be wrong but that is what I seem to remember reading. Could it be that after winning the above case in question, a claimant could refer back to this case and claim that a defendant had not made use of the appeal process, therefore allowing the claimant to win? Again, in this instance only, I do not know what is to be gained by not making an appeal or concealing the identity of the driver, especially if it is later admitted that the defendant was the driver and was the one to input the incorrect VRN in error. So far no one has educated me as to the reason why. But, of course, when making an appeal, it should be worded carefully so that an error in the appeal process cannot be referred back to. I thought long and hard about whether or not to post here but I wanted to bring up this point for discussion. Yes, I admit I have limited knowledge, but does that mean I should have kept silent? After I posted that I moved away from this forum slightly to find other avenues to increase my knowledge. I bought a law book and am now following certain lawyers on Youtube in the hope of arming myself with enough ammunition to use in my own case. In one video titled “7 Reasons You Will LOSE Your Court Case (and how to avoid them)” by Black Belt Barrister I believe he makes my point by saying the following, and I quote: “If you ignore the complaint in the first instance and it does eventually end up in court then it's going to look bad that you didn't co-operate in the first place. The court is not going to look kindly on you simply ignoring the company and not, let's say, availing yourself of any kind of appeal opportunities, particularly if we are talking about parking charge notices and things like that.” This point makes me think that, it is not such a bizarre judgement in the end. Only in the case of having proof of payment and inputting an incorrect VRN .... could it be worthwhile making a carefully worded appeal in the first instance? .... If the appeal fails, depending on the reason, surely this could only help if it went to court? As always, any feedback gratefully received.
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O2 really don't like people complaining about the standard of their services. I've had ongoing issues with my mobile broadband service for a while and have a had a lengthy conversation with customer services. Afterwards I logged into my account, and noticed that some of my personal details had changed. Some smart arse at O2 has changed my place of birth to: The Depths of Hell, Bitchville

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Log in so you have the offending data in front of you, Press the PrtScr button on your keyboard, open Paint and press and hold CTRL and tap V. Then save this picture. Next email [email protected] and also state unless they start taking you seriously you will be forwarding your story to the press. That aught to grab their attention!

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Any update to this?

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Guest Jodie_O2 Social Media Team.

Hi Denbies - I'm on the Social Media team at O2 and would like to be able to get this sorted for you. It's not a good customer experience and doesn't reflect how we much we value our customers. If you'd like to drop us an email to webteam @ o2.com we can speak about this in more detail.

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02 perhaps had better be very very nice to this cagger, as this shows what contempt a person paid to help us by telephone company can do to persons file to make other switch off when the complaint is carried on. I do hope 02 would want to source who the rep was and SACK THEM as this probably is not the first time such attitude will have appeared.

 

It would be nice to see this thread updated that cagger has got sattisfactory conclusion and apology from 02 !!!!!!

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Hi Denbies - I'm on the Social Media team at O2 and would like to be able to get this sorted for you. It's not a good customer experience and doesn't reflect how we much we value our customers. If you'd like to drop us an email to webteam @ o2.com we can speak about this in more detail.

 

Just a word of warning to the OP. CAG has not confirmed this person represents o2, so be wary about giving details. (although [email protected] does sound pretty genuine!)

 

Jodie, If you are wanting to represent o2 and help sort customer problems here, I suggest you contact the site team.

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This is to confirm that Jodie has been sanctioned to deal with 02 complaints,and we ask that CAG members allow her to do this in her capacity.

 

Jodie,welcome to the site,it is good that you have shown willingness to help our members with 02 issues.

The site has seen many 02 customers with problems that require answers,and up to now we dont appear to have had any official representation,as is the case with Vodafone or Orange.

Our members like to make their judgments on seeing results,we hope there will be plenty of those in the future.

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Although the OP was here yesterday,they will not have seen the offers of help.

Therefore I have contacted them,and left a message advising of the replies made in the last 24 hours.

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Absolutely shocking! Never seen anything like that before..

By day, computer and mobile phone technical support... by night home mechanic and Rover / MG enthusiast!

 

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Absolutely shocking! Never seen anything like that before..

 

I am sure everyone here will agree.

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Friendly bump for the OP, any update to this?

 

Re: "...never seen anything like that before..." when working for a different company (NOT o2), their computers had a system that allowed the staff to put a pop up for anyone that looked at the account so we could leave notes to inform of any specific needs. Generally you'd maybe put "customer is hard of hearing" or "customer does not understand English very well". I have seen one that said "Customer is hard of thinking". That was reported and the person that posted it was fired for gross misconduct and walked out of the building by 2 security officers immediatly.

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I am shocked at this, generally O2 sort my complaints out within an hour now after I had to take a complaint to the CEO which resulted in O2 admitting the error, refunding the whole bill for £400+ and they gave me 3 months line rental.

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Is this a record? See below for my experience of O2 - just trying to get a phone repaired:Over the past month I have spent several hours attempting to get my phone repaired, not a complex request I would have thought. The phone is both insured and under warranty. I have ‘chatted’ with over 30 gurus; and have been put through to your complaints department on numerous occasions. The response has been on at least 6 occasions “Please don't worry, you're now in safe hands and I'll personally look into this issue and it will be resolved at the earliest.” Aside from my time, my daughter has stayed in all day waiting for the telephone to be collected on the basis of such promises but no contact has ever been made.Yesterday morning (Thursday 26th July ) I was promised for the sixth time that I would be contacted personally by e-mail within 24hrs to resolve this on my e-mail address. I indicated that I did not believe that this would occur and therefore were I not to be contacted that my statements yesterday should be taken as formal notice of termination of contract for breach of contract on your part. O2 has of course broken its promise once again and not contacted me. I have had endless expressions of ‘sympathy’, ‘empathy’ and understanding of my 'issue'. I dont in fact have an 'issue', I have a broken phone which needs repairing. The whole complaints procedure is designed completely around the needs of the organisation rather than those of its customers and whilst customer service personnel are superficially pleasant and polite our service is worse than useless.I o intend to report O2 to Ofcom and the Ombudsman and send my account of their utter incompetence to the newspapers. has anyone else had a similar experience?

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Welcome Paul.

 

Send them a letter with what you have said above and give them 48 hours to collect the phone for repair, say that if it isn't collected by the end date, that you will take it to

an independent repair shop and bill them for it and that failure ot refund the bill will lead to a court summons.

 

Make the letter recorded delivery.

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I am an existing O2 customer and have been for several years having taken out various contracts with them. However, a few years ago I encountered O2's lack of customer service and empathy towards their customers first hand when I experienced a short spell of financial difficulty due to a change in personal circumstances. I am still in battles with O2 to this day. Despite my settling the account in question at the time, unbeknown to me, until last year, O2 had in fact placed a default notice against my credit file without ever having given me any prior warning either by written correspondence or verbally - their reason being, they are not regulated like other companies because communications are regulated by Ofcom which have lower regulatory guidance. I say this needs to change. I was given the contact details of O2's ombudsman, who I have written to and obtained a response that they cannot deal with my complaint because O2 issue service agreements and not consumer contracts. I am now putting a case together to submit to Ofcom - I have googled and stumbled across many dissatisfied O2 customers where the same thing has happened. I was only in difficulty for a short time and the amount I fell behind on does not even amount to any significance, however, I am effectively placed into the same category as someone who has a CCJ registered against them as a result for the next 3 years despite not being in financial difficulty anymore.

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Welcome disgruntledwith02.

 

You should copy all your correspondence attached to a letter to you MP. Parliament is really the only ones that can change this if Ofcom don't have the powers.

 

You could also start a petition to parliament http://epetitions.direct.gov.uk/ . Think carefully how you word it to bring in the most signatures. This won't be against O2 but against 'service agreements' being unregulated.

 

Add a thread to CAGs epetition section http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/forumdisplay.php?357-e-Petitions and plaster links to it on as many sites and forums as you can find. Start with this one http://uknationalforums.com I think you will find not a lot of sites will delete your link if it is worded well as it's not spam.

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Hi Patrick

 

Perhaps too much personal info, its a public forum and it would be sensible to edit and remove all person info.

 

I have a contact at Telefonica who has proved helpful in the past for a similar (ish) problem. It does seem to be an issue where you are being passed from pillar to post because nobody is prepared to take ownership of it.

 

Try the following contact on Monday.... [email protected], 0845 330 0683, copy email to [email protected]. If no joy please update the thread and we'll take a look at best approach to get it (Telefonica) to take ownership.

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