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    • The Notice to Hirer does not comply with the protection of Freedoms Act 2012 Schedule  4 . This is before I ask if Europarks have sent you a copy of the PCN they sent to Arval along with a copy of the hire agreement et. if they haven't done that either you are totally in the clear and have nothing to worry about and nothing to pay. The PCN they have sent you is supposed to be paid by you according to the Act within 21 days. The chucklebuts have stated 28 days which is the time that motorists have to pay. Such a basic and simple thing . The Act came out in 2012 and still they cannot get it right which is very good news for you. Sadly there is no point in telling them- they won't accept it because they lose their chance to make any money out of you. they are hoping that by writing to you demanding money plus sending in their  unregulated debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors that you might be so frightened as to pay them money so that you can sleep at night. Don't be surprised if some of their letters are done in coloured crayons-that's the sort of  level of people you will be dealing with. Makes great bedding for the rabbits though. Euro tend not to be that litigious but while you can safely ignore the debt collectors just keep an eye out for a possible Letter of Claim. They are pretty rare but musn't be ignored. Let us know so that you can send a suitably snotty letter to them showing that you are not afraid of them and are happy to go to Court as you like winning.  
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    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
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The other day when I bought a ticket, the conductor on board the train told me I was travelling in the wrong direction.

I told him that I wasn't as I'd looked online and it suggested this route as it was the quickest on the way there.

 

When he input the data on the machine he confirmed that I was correct.

I asked if the ticket could be an any permitted route ticket as I would be travelling back the other way.

He told me that while 'any permitted' meant I could travel in either direction,

once I had started travelling I would be restricted to that route,

meaning I would have to come back in the same direction.

 

Is this correct?

 

I suspect he might be wrong as the National Rail site says I only have to purchase one ticket to travel up one way and back the other.

I've travelled different ways there and back many times in the past and this has never been an issue before.

 

I also bought a ticket which I thought would be incredibly complicated to purchase in the past due to the fact that I was travelling to four different stations,

three of which were on separate routes, and

 

National Rail Enquiries told me I could just buy an any route permitted ticket to one of the stations I was travelling to and it would be fine.

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Sounds like you have had your question answered by National Rail Enquiries.

Not really. That was two years ago. I don't know if the rules have changed since. Unless you're confirming that the guard on board the train was wrong when he told me I'd have to travel back the same way?

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Not really. That was two years ago. I don't know if the rules have changed since. Unless you're confirming that the guard on board the train was wrong when he told me I'd have to travel back the same way?

 

If it's a normal A to B ticket and not an advance type, then AFAIK you can use any direct route. For example; you can't go in the wrong direction, get off and do a bit of shopping then travel back the way you came to get to your original destination but you can travel towards you destination using any 'permitted' route which includes using a return ticket.

 

Must of been a new guard or something.

 

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As far as I'm aware it has to be shortest, direct or reasonable route.

 

So a ticket from Portsmouth to Brighton wouldn't allow you to go via Eastbourne for example.

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National Rail Enquiries told me I could just buy an any route permitted ticket to one of the stations I was travelling to and it would be fine.

 

I would get National Rail Enquiries to confirm that in an email if I were you.

 

As firstclassx suggests, tell us the journey you wished to make and via which stations and we'll be able to answer in more detail

 

'Any permitted' does not mean you can use any route, it means you can use any of the permitted routes.

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Both routes are permitted routes. The National Rail website lists both routes and the ticket costs the same price.

 

The question is:

 

If a journey has more than one permitted route can you travel via one of the permitted routes on the way there and via a different one of the permitted routes on the way back, providing you have an 'any permitted route' ticket?

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Technically its possible, how are train/ station staff going to know which route you took on the previous journey?

 

Again, which stations/ routes are you talking about?

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If a ticket is valid by either of two permissible routes then yes. I cannot see any reason why you should not go outward via one route and return via the other

 

As a simple example: an open return ticket from Stevenage to London Kings Cross will be valid to travel out to London via Welwyn Garden City and to return to Stevenage via Hertford North.

 

Staff can often tell which route a ticket has been used on from the codes on any stamped examination mark

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Re-reading the first post it could be a simple case of the OP and guard misunderstanding each other.

 

It could be read that whilst the OP meant travelling on the return portion via the alternative route, the guard thought that the OP meant stopping his outbound journey to go via the alternate route having passed the interchange station in which to do so. The latter as far as I'm aware isn't possible (if the more knowledgeable guys here would like to clarify!).

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Re-reading the first post it could be a simple case of the OP and guard misunderstanding each other.

 

It could be read that whilst the OP meant travelling on the return portion via the alternative route, the guard thought that the OP meant stopping his outbound journey to go via the alternate route having passed the interchange station in which to do so. The latter as far as I'm aware isn't possible (if the more knowledgeable guys here would like to clarify!).

 

 

Yes, it is not possible to use a ticket to 'double-back' unless the routeing guide specifically permits it.

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Tell us the ticket you will/did have, and the exact route you wanted to to take please.

 

The quickest route isn't necessarily a valid route.

 

I would get National Rail Enquiries to confirm that in an email if I were you.

 

As firstclassx suggests, tell us the journey you wished to make and via which stations and we'll be able to answer in more detail

 

'Any permitted' does not mean you can use any route, it means you can use any of the permitted routes.

 

 

Again, which stations/ routes are you talking about?

 

 

 

 

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It Would be very helpfully to All, if you tell everyone where you travelled

 

From - To

 

Via

 

What time did you travel

 

What type of ticket did you purchase ?

 

 

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Please use the quote system, So everyone will know what your referring too, thank you ...

 

 

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As The Urbanite stated, I was questioning the principle, so the route I took on this particular day is irrelevant. I can confirm that both routes are valid as both National Rail and the guard on board the train that day verified this. I regularly travel different ways there and back when I'm travelling to and from multiple different locations. After hearing this from this particular guard I was worried that one day I might have a run in with a jobsworth RPO who would be able to justify issuing me with a penalty fare.

 

Old-CodJA has confirmed my suspicions that this particular guard was wrong and that you are allowed to travel back via a different route providing both routes are permitted. So thank you.

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As The Urbanite stated, I was questioning the principle, so the route I took on this particular day is irrelevant. I can confirm that both routes are valid as both National Rail and the guard on board the train that day verified this. I regularly travel different ways there and back when I'm travelling to and from multiple different locations. After hearing this from this particular guard I was worried that one day I might have a run in with a jobsworth RPO who would be able to justify issuing me with a penalty fare.

 

Old-CodJA has confirmed my suspicions that this particular guard was wrong and that you are allowed to travel back via a different route providing both routes are permitted. So thank you.

 

So what have you got to hide !

 

You ask for help but won't answer the question as asked to here http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?389482-Any-Permitted-Route-National-Rail&p=4220420&viewfull=1#post4220420

 

How odd ....

Please use the quote system, So everyone will know what your referring too, thank you ...

 

 

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