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Any place with the right diag tools should be able to carry out test on your car, Nationwide may be OK to do it but get them to use Ford parts, Ford thinks my problem was coursed buy having a 3rd party fuel filter installed (Unibond) You could also try a Diesal specalist. Ford may have been a bit more expensive but it could have been my fault for getting a cheap service else were. Good luck.

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This has been a really interesting thread - I've only found it today. The lack of power problem is similar to the problem I've got with my diesel mondeo, but I don't have the glowplug warning light and nor does the engine cut out. Does anyone know if the symptoms I've got - see below for details - are a precursor to this glowplug/cutting out problem? Or have I got a different problem ?? If so, anyone got any idea what it is? Many thanks.

 

Ford Mondeo II estate, 02reg, 113k, 115hp Duratorq D6BA engine.

Symptoms:- distinct lack of power, feels 'flat', really struggles up long motorway hills at 50mph, in third or fourth gear, smoking more than usual, esp at high speed (80-90mph) when significant clouds of smoke can be seen. Struggles at 70mph or so on the flat or on slight inclines on motorway and A roads, difficult to overtake other vehicles, no acceleration possible under these circumstances.

Engine revs freely when not under load (ie not in gear), but under load it struggles. A regular 'kick' or 'cough' can be felt between 2800 and 3000 rpm, as if the engine is not running right, and it simply doesn't respond/accelerate like it used to . The engine seems slightly better in the morning than in the afternoon, though I understand this is normal as the cooler air gives a denser charge than the warmer air in the afternoon. So this may be irrelevant I guess ??

Car has been serviced regularly, there are no warning lights lit and the temp gauge is normal. I've thought of changing the fuel and air filter to ensure sufficient air and fuel are getting through, but as these are changed at the appropriate service intervals I doubt this will make much difference. Of course, don't know for sure until I try!

 

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I have a Mondeo 03 TDci 2.0 Ghia X 130 bhp and about a month ago started to experience similar problems to those already mentioned in this thread. At first, I didn't notice the glowplug light flashing, but the last three times, it has started flashing before the engine cuts out.

 

I have had the RAC, a local garage and Ford diagnose the fault and nothing has registered on the computer. I have also had the fuel filter replaced, but this has not sorted out the problem. The local Ford garage said that they noticed a significant drop in revs when the air-con was on and suggested it needed a new compressor. I drove it for over a week without the air-con and it still cut out. I only usually experience this problem when the car is doing 40 mph or less, but the car is very difficult to maneouvre when power steering is lost.

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What you describe is the same what happened to my car.IT has to be worth changing the crank and cam sensors total cost about £40 diy fit is not too difficult the cam sensor is located at front of the engine by the glow plugs and the crank sensor is at the rear of the engine where the gearbox meets the flywheel i hope this helps keep us posted..............

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Purchased new cam shaft position sensor from Ford at a cost of just over £12 + VAT. It took no longer than 5 minutes to replace and the car has been fine ever since. Thanks for all who mentioned this.

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I'm having similar problems.

 

Bought a 2004 Mondeo 2.0 (115hp) TDCi on Tuesday night from auction.

Thought I'd got a bargin!

 

Have done about 80 miles in the last two days.

Yesterday I twice lost power doing about 30mph around town and glow plug lamp flashed but car did not cut out. I pulled over, stopped and restarted the engine immediately and everything was OK.

 

Today I was accelerating between 70 and 80 while overtaking on the motorway when I lost power and lamp started flashing, as I pulled over to the central hard sholder the engine stalled totally. :eek:

 

Again I was able to immediately restart the engine and continue without any problems.

 

One post suggested I try reving the engine - I can hold the car reving at any rpm up to the red line for ages and it doesn't jump about or hunt up and down.

 

Looking at previous posts it looks like this could cost me anything from £15 to £2000! As it came from auction with no service history I suspect it will be the higher of these two figures! :mad:

 

Local (expensive) Ford dealer said it sounds like something to do with the fuel system and are taking it in on Monday. Is there any point in me replacing the Cam Sensor myself this weekend?

 

One thing I do notice however is that it is rough when it just ticks over at 750 rpm. I get a bit of 'shudder' and hunting up and down the revs and it feels like the engine is about to stall, if I bring the rpm up to about 850 - 900 it ticks over nicely and there is no shudder.

 

Would this have anything to do with the shudder and hunting at idle speed or is this totally unrelated to the glow plug flashing and loss of power?

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I'm having similar problems.

 

Bought a 2004 Mondeo 2.0 (115hp) TDCi on Tuesday night from auction.

Thought I'd got a bargin!

 

Have done about 80 miles in the last two days.

Yesterday I twice lost power doing about 30mph around town and glow plug lamp flashed but car did not cut out. I pulled over, stopped and restarted the engine immediately and everything was OK.

 

Today I was accelerating between 70 and 80 while overtaking on the motorway when I lost power and lamp started flashing, as I pulled over to the central hard sholder the engine stalled totally. :eek:

 

Again I was able to immediately restart the engine and continue without any problems.

 

One post suggested I try reving the engine - I can hold the car reving at any rpm up to the red line for ages and it doesn't jump about or hunt up and down.

 

Looking at previous posts it looks like this could cost me anything from £15 to £2000! As it came from auction with no service history I suspect it will be the higher of these two figures! :mad:

 

Local (expensive) Ford dealer said it sounds like something to do with the fuel system and are taking it in on Monday. Is there any point in me replacing the Cam Sensor myself this weekend?

 

One thing I do notice however is that it is rough when it just ticks over at 750 rpm. I get a bit of 'shudder' and hunting up and down the revs and it feels like the engine is about to stall, if I bring the rpm up to about 850 - 900 it ticks over nicely and there is no shudder.

 

Would this have anything to do with the shudder and hunting at idle speed or is this totally unrelated to the glow plug flashing and loss of power?

Also try changing the fuel filter .I did this and the car is running better than ever with no faults apparent.its gotta be worth a try:)
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Is this a DIY job??

Or how much will a main dealer charge for it?

 

I really do need to get a Haynes manual.:o

This is quite easy,the filter is situated just by the left hand front strut housing 3 fuel pipes to clip off.Be careful not to break them this is easy to do them lift out the filter which cost around £30 from a main dealer.Dont bother with an after market one its not worth it.Ihope this helps

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Changing the fuel filter the car lasted 2 months with no fault thought it was fixed.

 

Unfortunatly my problem came back but Ford can not find any faults with the car .- finally got it sorted though - traded it in and I'm picking my new car up on Friday not a Mondeo, shame as when the car is running right it's a great car. Very expensive error buying it:mad:

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I have a 2004 2.0L Ford Transit TDCi - doing 70mph on the motorway, got the flashing glow plug light and engine died. Garage couldn't get a fault code but said that 3 injectors were bad and 1 was poor. They replaced all 4, recoded them and gave me a bill for £1440. Drove it for 35 miles and the same thing happened. They found that one of the new injectors had failed and are charging me for a replacement. They think the fuel was contaminated - particles of copper in the fuel tank. They've flushed the fuel system, fitted a new tank (plastic not metal), put in fresh diesel but they can't get it to fire. It's been to 3 garages, has been off the road for 2 weeks and I'm losing a fortune.

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Hi,

I have an 03 mondeo diesel estate 46000 miles it cut out on the outside lane of motorway with flahing glowplug light.Got towed home changed crank and cam sensors £40 from ford dealer.Car ran for few days until when taken above 4000 rpm when it cut out with same fault.Could'nt start at all so called rac recovery he told me it is normally a fuel pump problem when glowplug light comes on.Car now at Fords awaiting repair, will let you know how i get on.

 

Regards Chubman

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Hi Chubman here again , Fords have just rang me about my car and told me that the diesel pump and injectors need replacing. The cost of the parts alone is over £1700 and could not begin to offer me an idea of labour costs because the whole fuel system has to be replaced and tank cleaned etc.I believe this is all down to a bearing in the fuel pump breaking down a common fault apparently. Anyone else got similar problem.

 

Cheers Chubman.

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Fellow Mondeo owner here folks -2002 TDDi with 115K on the clock!!

 

The car has been 100% until a few weeks ago and then it behaved oddly, missing a few 'heart beats' and 'coughing', before stalling and being a real piggy wiggy to start - but start it did and we got home ok...and at no time did we have ANY warning lights come up AND the tank was nearly full on both occasions!?

 

A week after, I took it to a Ford dealer for a major service (thought I'd treat it after 114k), they found nothing, but a couple of weeks after that, it happened again!! Same pattern, so called AA who said it was "a fuel related problem" - took it back to Ford Garage this week and they now diagnose the problem as a 'faulty Fuel Pump' - the repair cost will be........£1400!!!! Yes £1400 pounds thank you sir :-(((((((

 

Apart from seeing other similar problems with Mondeo diesels in the forum (glow plug warning light Ford Mondeo LX TDCi, 2002)

I also wanted to raise to my other 'concern', which is that it seems to have taken my local Ford Garage THREE AND A HALF HOURS so far to arrive at this conclusion - made up of the diagnostic time and a test drive - wow!!!

 

Having 'pressed' them for more detailed information AFTER doing some internet research and calling a couple of diesel pump specialists, I have some 'reservations' about their 'solution' to my problem...

 

In fact, I have now emailed them asking to confirm in writing all the things they are telling me - in particular whether they have or have not, interrogated the Pump ECU directly????!!!

 

Their first verbal response was that it was part of their main 'plug and play' box of tricks, but other experts have suggested that unless you have the kit to 'talk' to the Fuel Pump ECU, you CANNOT be sure and indeed, they are apparently 'reluctant to give me the 100% assurance I am seeking that IF I spent (more like IF I HAD) £1400 on this, it would absolutely fix the problem - or would it - they suddenly don't seem so confident - HELLO!?!?

 

So, dear CAG members, where do I stand currently - they have the car and I apparently owe them nearly £300 for the 'diagnosis' which I have asked them to guarantee will fix the issue - any room for me to bring 'pressure to bear' - or have I been a silly billy for going near bloody Ford dealer in the first place - at my age, I should be ashamed of myself.....:-(

 

I have contacted another specialist, who say they DO have the kit to test the PUMP itself and they can do that for an hours labour, which will cost me around £60 - so how can a Ford dealer take 3 1/2 hours and not be prepared to stand by their own opinion....must be a lot of rich folks out there, mainly Ford Garage owners!!

 

Any help or advice would be appreciated...

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Hello again

 

I now have the ford bulletin for the glow plug fault codes

on the fuel system, I can email them to anyone whos interested (7 pages)gives full explanation

 

Hi there, just bought an 02 mondeo with all the symptons posted. Can you please send me glow plug codes so i can try cheaper options firs before going to diesel specialist again.

 

Thanks,

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Hi,

Just brought a 52 plate TDCI Zetec s Mondeo with 78k on clock. Has been driving faultlessly until this morning, on my way to uni. Came off a roundabout and noticed the glow-plug light started flashing. Noticed something was wrong when I tried to accelerate and noticed reduced power.

Pulled over, turned car off, waited a few minutes then restarted - light still flashing. Continued to drive, and car drove ok - no noises etc just low on power. Decided to continue the remaining 40 miles as had an essay to hand in! Got to park and ride and left car all day.

Spoke to a ford garage, who said you can drive it but not recommended. For fear of causing more damage, I called the AA to have it recovered back to Northants. At 4pm when AA came, tried to start it - lots of juddering and noise, finally started and ran like a bag of nails. Then it started to kick out lots of whiteish/blueish smoke.

When it started to warm up it settled down, but still smoked on acceleration. Now at Rapid fit (part of Ford in Northampton) awaiting diagnosis. I originally thought it was the turbo - although I now fear it could be worse!!

They suggested it could be the ECR valve, but considering my luck of late I'm sure it will be the worst it could possibly be!

This car is out of warranty, and I have no aftermarket warranty. If this is such a common problem with the TDCI engine, can this be disputed with Ford even though they are aware of the issue?

Hmmm. I'll keep my fingers crossed for tomorrow but I am not optimistic of the outcome.

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Couple of thoughts for your consideration my friend - firstly, you may have made a BIG mistake by taking it to a Ford Dealer!!

 

I did the exact same thing, thinking that as it was a Ford vehicle, a Ford dealership would be the ultimate 'experts' and have the right tools to do the job....sad to admit, but at my mature time of life, that was a serious error of judgement (see my post 27th Oct).

 

Since their 'diagnosis', I have carried out a fair bit of 'research' and the best evidence is that this type of problem IS rather too common - indeed, it has turned me off buying a diesel again in the future - or at least the modern type and 'common rail' in particular (which is what your TDCI is).

 

There are a few around, ring a couple, talk to them and make up your own mind - but essentially, they deal with these issues every day, all day and unlike MY Ford dealer, have better Diagnostic kit and know more about the codes than your average 'Fitter' at a Ford dealership, who simply looks up several OBD codes and decides which one he wants to charge you for that day!! (yes, I am rather teed off with it all).

 

The other hard news for you, is that unlike the less sophisticated TDDi version I have, the TDCI (common rail) version YOU have appears to be prone to developing 'issues' with the fuel system - meaning it could be one of several things and I won't pretend to know anything about the problem or diagnose it on-line, but if you check the URL in my post and look around the forums, what you WILL see is that a 'flashing glow plug' warning light could be a BAD sign.......sorry!

 

However, the options for a 'cure' are many and start with things like Cam Sensors at £15 and go up to complete new Fuel pump systems with Injectors, which may run to over £2000 - yes two thousand pounds!!!

 

The only other point I can think of, is if as you say, you only bought the vehicle recently, is there ANY possibility of redress - so where did you get it - a private buyer/dealer/other??

 

A private deal is almost certainly no good to you, UNLESS the original advert specifically stated what it's condition was (ie no faults etc) AND there is evidence that the 'fault existed from day one....

 

If you got it from a dealer, you may have some leverage - how soon after (time/mileage) driving it away did the 'fault' manifest itself - most purchases have to be 'fit for purpose' and you ARE in the CAG forum!!

So good luck to us both - anyone want to buy a Mondeo!!?? :-x

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hi have the same problem although ma car just wont start anymore a have a mondeo zetec s 130bhp, just been mot'd and serviced 3 weeks ago but did used 2 take a few turns to start, 91k on the clock had it 10 months.

 

last weekend after 2 or 3 turns it started thought all was well but when a pulled away a had no power, got it up the rd tried 2 start again that night and after about 10 turns started but very stuttery wouldn't rev properly and got loads a cloudy smoke out the exhaust. is this an injecter fault or is it worth having a dianostics test done?

 

cheers

 

stevie

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Any chance you are a member of AA/RAC - if so call them out for an initial check over and the a tow to where the car needs to be looked at properly, probably by a diesel specialist - NOT a Ford Dealer!!!

 

I have NO specialist knowledge, but have similar 'issues' with my TDDi Mondeo and made the mistake of going to a Ford Dealer for help....see earlier post in this thread :mad:

 

Things on your 'list of possible causes' could include - rubbish from the fuel tank being dredged up, if you were low on fuel - management systems set to 'limp home' mode - sensor fault - injector failure, or possible re-mapping required -and finally (for me), starter motor issues???

 

It's all pure guesswork - but no more or less than you'd get at a Ford Dealer - despite plugging in their Nintendo leads, they do NOT know what happens to these cars anymore!!

 

Unless you have a mate in the trade or a better idea - suggest it gets taken to a Diesel specialist - check the local area and talk to someone first to get an impression - then either drive it there if you can or get AA/RAC to do it for you - expect to pay £50 + VAT to find out the 'hard news' and good luck:-|

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I have a 06 plate mondeo st tdci which has 21000 miles on the clock and the dreaded flashing glowplug light come on yesterday and today whilst on the motorway with the loss of the turbo on both ocassions, upon stopping and restarting the car the problem disappeared but the car is not running 100%

I have just spoke to a friend of mine who works for a ford dealer who says it will be covered by the 3 year warranty, bl**dy better be only bought the car in may this year and it cost me £14,500

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Well hello there all.

12 days since my car developed a fault and it is just back from the garage today.

Mixed news, and I not about to count my chickens so am treading carefully.

Car was recovered from Oxford to Northampton by the AA and they were pretty sure it was the Turbo that had blown.

I took the car to Rapid Fit (part of Allen Ford set-up, Duston) following recommendations from here and a friend. They quickly diagnosed the problem to be a faulty injector, which caused all the problems. This has since been corrected and the new ECU update (and something else but I forget what this is) at a total cost of £300 - not too bad, but still?!

Car is running much better now, however is a bit rattly when cold during acceleration - if this persists the garage will be happy to have another look at it.

I am hoping this has resolved the problem, but now I am aware of the issue with the TDCi engine I remain skeptical. Considering buying a warranty to cover myself in the future - there are some good ones out there with £5000 annual claim limits with cover that insures most parts that tend to go wrong with the infamous TDCi?? I have been quoted just short of £300 for the year - something I wish I had done prior to this breakdown.

I will see how the car runs and update shortly - got another run to Oxford on Thursday so that will be the ultimate test - just have to remember to renew my AA membership which has since expired.

Rapid Fit were very useful, and I found their prices to be on the whole about 30% cheaper then Ford - although they use all ford parts and the invoice is headed on Allen Ford paper - so basically Ford receipts for the Service History!! At the same time I also had a Major service and new brake pads and discs all round (all genuine ford parts) - all for under £300!!! Although, don't be mistaken - their prices aren't always this cheap, they left a tool under my bonnet and closed it, which meant my Mondeo has also received a brand new bonnet and respray courtesy of Ford, so there was some negotiation on the prices paid for the works - saved £150 off original price - due to the inconvenience!

Luckily (well almost depending on how you look at it), someone rear ended me about three weeks ago so it went into the Allen Ford body shop through the insurance for a re-spray on the rear bumper, so I have had a courtesy car for almost the entire duration.

Lets hope this is the end of the troubles with the Zetec S, but if not I'm sure I will be back on here soon grumbling about it further.

Feel much better now that is all off my chest!

Good luck out there!

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Hi,

 

Merry Christmas to you all.

 

Got an Mondeo 2ltr 03 TDCI, and on way to work this morning lost some power and got the dreaded glow plug flashing. The car would not go over 70mph.

 

Got a mate to run some diagnostics and initially he could not get his pc to connect. He eventually got it to but it showed no codes. Not sure if he done it correct though ??? I have tried the ometer system and this also shows no error codes.

 

The car will now not start at all. I have got it booked into Ford this Friday. Is it worth changing the camshaft position sensor or crankshaft position sensors first. Ford want to charge me £99 for the diagnostic. !!!

 

Any help appreciated, Just what you want on Christmas eve!!!!!

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