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    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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I am new to this site and hope someone can help me. I am in the process of buying a house. My daughter is expecting a baby and she wants to move out of our house and rent a property of her own with her boyfriend. She is claiming income support and he is about to be made redundant. I have spoken to our local council who advise me that she will not be able to claim HB if they believe we are buying the house for her to rent and therefore to claim housing benefit. Quite ridiculous in my humble opinion but I do not want to proceed with the purchase if there is no way round it and we find ourselves saddled with a mortgage and my daughter gets no help. Is there any way around this? If we already owned the house then they said they would exercise their discretion and maybe allow a claim. I cannot see how it maes sense to allow her to claim HB for a grotty flat from a third party when we will be charging a commercial rent to her as a thrid party would??? Any advice/ tips etc would be hugely welcome..... baby due in 6 weeks! Thanks

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So far as I know, the restriction only applies if the claimant is renting from a close relative who also lives in the property. You could try asking Citizen's Advice.

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So far as I know, the restriction only applies if the claimant is renting from a close relative who also lives in the property. You could try asking Citizen's Advice.

 

That is certainly not the case.

 

If you are renting from a close relative, then the local authority may well reject any claim for HB. The argument for this (entirely valid) is that the landlord may not have claimed rent, or may be charging under market rent, in this kind of scenario.

 

The rules vary from authority to authority, and so you are basically tied with what your authority says.

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There are some people who will be treated as though they are not responsible for paying rent even though they are paying it, for example, if you are renting from a close relative who also lives in the home.
From Advice Guide (CAB)

 

I live in a property owned by a family member - can I claim housing benefit?

If you live in a property owned by a family member and pay them rent, you may be entitled to housing benefit. However, this will not be the case if you (or your partner) are responsible for a child and are renting from the other parent of that child.

 

The council will also want to check:

 

that you're paying rent on a commercial basis. In other words, that it's a proper tenancy, not just an informal arrangement between family.

that the arrangement has not been set up in order to take advantage of the housing benefit system - this is called a 'contrived tenancy'. For example, if your landlord only asks you to pay rent when you are not working (and so are eligible for housing benefit), but not when you are working (and earning too much to claim housing benefit), this would be a contrived tenancy.

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As mentioned it depends on local authority.

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MrShed is right. If the local Council think that it is a contrived tenancy i.e. a tenancy set up just to get LHA (private HB) then they will not pay. The things they will usually look for are:

 

does the family member who owns the house have a history of being a private landlord

is the claimant already living in the house and have they been paying rent

does the rent charged match the market rent for the area

has a proper tenancy agreement been drawn up and signed by both parties

does the landlord know what their responsibilities/rights are especially around non-payment of rent

was a deposit paid

 

The best thing to do would be to have a chat with the HB dept of your local Council but this will only be a guideline as a definite answer will only be available after you have bought the property and your daughter has signed a tenancy agreement, etc.

 

If you are not able to let your daughter live in the property rent free while she is on a low income or evict your daughter if the LHA is not paid and she cannot pay the rent or be a private landlord to someone other than your daughter then my advice is do not buy the property.

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Thanks for the replies most helpful! The house will certainly NOT be occupied by anyone other than my daughter and her baby and partner. There will be a formal assured shorthold tenancy agreement in place prior to occupation at a commercial rent. Unfortunately our council seem to think that this is still purchasing a house solely for the purpose of claiming HB!!! I already own a flat in Bristol which is rented out to students so I could argue that I have a history of being a private landlord. As you say, however, it looks very much as if we will have to take the risk of the council refusing to pay or choosing to rent the house commercially first before saying that it is impossible for our daughter to live at home anymore and that she and her partner need to move into the available accomodation that we have ready and waiting. It would be great to talk to the relevant department but, of course, they are constantly engaged!!!! Does anyone think it would work if we rented the house to her boyfriend for 6 months and then decided to rent it to our daughter after that. she could then live at home for a bit?

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Does anyone think it would work if we rented the house to her boyfriend for 6 months and then decided to rent it to our daughter after that. she could then live at home for a bit?

 

Bad idea.

 

Not only will the same HB rules apply when your daughter moves in, it will look as if you are actively attempting to circumvent their policies.

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Just to clarify, it is not down to the council's policy. The law is the same nationwide.

 

Housing benefit can be claimed where the agreement is legally enforceable, and not contrived to take advantage of the HB scheme (plus a few other fixed excluded situations).

 

Refusal carries a right of appeal to a tribunal.

Post by me are intended as a discussion of the issues involved, as these are of general interest to me and others on the forum. Although it is hoped such discussion will be of use to readers, before exposing yourself to risk of loss you should not rely on any principles discussed without confirming the situation with a qualified person.

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I was in a similar situation last year.

I moved back to the UK in July 2009 and lived at my mothers property without paying rent (she was also living there). In October she moved overseas with work for 3 years and we started paying rent/claiming Housing benefit at that time.

The council initially refused to pay as they found it to be a contrived tennancy, it was only after she used an agent to manage the property that they agreed to pay housing benefit on the property, she lost a % of the rent but better that nothing!

Also if they ask you cannot say that it will only be avaliable for your daughters use, you must say that it will be avaliable to rent to anyone, even if you are only going to rent it to her because she already agreed before it went on the market as it were, hope that makes sense!

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