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    Default Abbey abuse orders - keeping the pressure on.

    In view of the recent 'abuse' strike outs involving Abbeyicon, it might be a good idea to keep the heat on and request a strike out on your AQ. You could use something like the following - which primarily requests that the defence is struck out as an abuse of process or alternatively that a disclosure order is made as per the draft directions.

    This may be especially effective to use on a second AQ in the situation where they have requested a stay for settlement (as Abbey do as far as I'm aware), got it ordered, then ignored it, because the judge would have clear evidence in front of him of an abuse of process in your own particular case.

    If you want to give it a go, set out section G as below, then attach it to the AQ along with the attachments as indicated. The attachments are linked below.


    You -v- Abbey Plc
    In the ****** county courticon
    Claim No: *******



    N149 ALLOCATION QUESTIONNAIRE


    Section G – Other Information

    The Claimant respectfully requests that an order may be made as follows;

    1. That the Defence is struck out as an abuse of process, pursuant to rule 3.4(2)(b) of the Civil Procedure Rules.

    On the basis that the Defendant has filed a template defence then subsequently settled each and every other claim of this nature.

    Since May 2006, I am aware of over 100 claims of this nature in which the Defendant has filed an acknowledgement of service, then a Defence, then an allocation questionnaire, then has breached the order for pre-hearing directions, then has finally settled without liability shortly in advance of the hearing or trial. A sample list of these claims, including their claim numbers, is attached (attachment 1B).

    It is submitted that the defendant’s litigation strategy is flagrantly abusive of the public resource, and further, contrary to almost all of the Overriding Objective’s of the Civil Procedure Rules. It is respectfully submitted that the Defendant will continue to conduct litigation in this manner for as long as it is allowed to do so with impunity.

    Please find attached a copy of an order made by Lincoln County court (attachment 1C) in at least 10 cases similar to my own involving various high street banks, including Abbey Plc. The court considered the authority of Mullen-v-Hackney London Borough Council (1997)2 A11ER 906 to be relevant. If this honourable court also considers this authority relevant, I would respectfully request that the court applies its special knowledge of the defendant’s notorious and well established conduct in similar cases when considering order in the present case. Please find attached the case to which I refer (attachment 1D)

    2. In the alternative, should the court not be minded to strike out the defence, and if the claim is to proceed to allocation, the Claimant respectfully suggests that special directions may be made as per the attached draft order (attachment 2A).

    I believe the proposed directions will further the Overriding Objectives in that they identify the most fundamental issues in dispute and will allow them to be assessed in advance of the hearing so that this claim may proceed justly and expeditiously.

    I would aver that if the Defendant has the serious intention of defending this claim at trial, as is indicated by its defence, that it is incumbent upon it to disclose such information. Further, the proposed directions are now routinely ordered in claims of this nature in the Mercantile Court in London, as well as small claims track cases in Leicester, Derby, Chesterfield, and Mansfield County Courts.

    As the law relating to contractual penalties is long established, I believe that the outstanding issues are are of fact. Accordingly, I respectfully request that this claim is allocated to the small claims track, and would estimate that the hearing of the claim should last no longer than one hour.
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    Attachment 1D;
    Hackney -v- Mullen - See PDF attachment below
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    In the actual section G box, you should put this;

    Please find the following documents attached to this allocation questionnaire;

    1A) Section G - other information
    1B) List of settled cases
    1C) Text of order made by Lincoln County Court
    1D) Mullen -v- Hackney BC (1997)2 A11ER 906
    2A) Draft Order for directions

    This allocation questionnaire and its attachments were sent to the defendant on **/**/**
    *** If you use this, PLEASE post the response - if you get a strike out we want to know about it!!! PM me or post on this thread. ***

    Be aware that if the draft directions as per point 2 (attach. 2A) are ordered by the court, you will need to provide - a) schedule of charges, b) your statements, c) a statement of evidence and d) cases and statutes. Everything you need can be found in or linked from this thread -


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    Default Re: Abbey abuse orders - keeping the pressure on.

    An excellent idea.
    Would it be possible to try the same order with ALL claims ?
    We all know that the banks have no intention to defend any of these claims in court.


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    Default Re: Abbey abuse orders - keeping the pressure on.

    Yes, absolutely. I would think that it is likely to be most effective against banks like Abbeyicon, Lloydsicon and Barclaysicon, as they are the worst culprits.

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    Default Re: Abbey abuse orders - keeping the pressure on.

    Gary, i am due an aqicon for my third claim sometime in the next few weeks, could i use this now? can you also use the new strategy in the alternative? seems a good way to quicken the process still further, well done

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    Default Re: Abbey abuse orders - keeping the pressure on.

    Thanks

    What you mean before you get the aqicon? No, I would'nt personally. Its unlikely to be looked at until the file goes up for allocation anyway, which will be after the AQ return date.

    Attach it to the AQ when you get it, and yes, it does incorpoate the new strategy - in point 2, so attach the draft directions as well.

    Obviously there is no guarentee the judge will take any notice, but there are some definate signs that the tide is starting to turn, so I should imagine it just might bring success to some at least. Certainly worth a try anyway, if only to put Abbeyicon even further on the back foot!

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    Default Re: Abbey abuse orders - keeping the pressure on.

    Hi Gary - this is absoloutely brilliant, and answers in one hit all the queries I've raised in various other posts. It also makes the job of preparing an aqicon for submission to the Court totally straightforward. Must be worth its weight in gold!

    A million thanks for your work with this

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    Default Re: Abbey abuse orders - keeping the pressure on.

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    What you mean before you get the aqicon? No, I would'nt personally. Its unlikely to be looked at until the file goes up for allocation anyway, which will be after the AQ return date.

    Attach it to the AQ when you get it, and yes, it does incorpoate the new strategy - in point 2, so attach the draft directions as well.

    Obviously there is no guarentee the judge will take any notice, but there are some definate signs that the tide is starting to turn, so I should imagine it just might bring success to some at least. Certainly worth a try anyway, if only to put Abbeyicon even further on the back foot!
    Hi Gary, no I meant when I get to the AQ filling stage, as long as the court hasnt dispensed with it of course, but you have answered me anyway, so many thanks

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    Default Re: Abbey abuse orders - keeping the pressure on.

    Like Lula, I'm about to receive in the next week-ish my aqicon for my third claim against shAbbey.... and it's my biggest one.

    THis looks fabulous, and well worth the try, after all, absolutely nothing to lose.

    My respect to GaryH in compiling it, it truly is a work to be admired and the time spent composing it, thank you on behalf of the el Thickos like me!

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    Default Re: Abbey abuse orders - keeping the pressure on.

    No problem - in actual fact I first compiled it for a friends claim against Lloydsicon TSB, and it was subsequently completely ignored!

    Seemed to do the trick for Mariejader though, and there has been another seperate Abbeyicon strike out recently so I thought I may as well pop it over here.

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    Default Re: Abbey abuse orders - keeping the pressure on.

    Just one question, in the case of the court not issuing an aqicon, can this be sent with a letter to the court? I suspect it can, just fancied another opinion.

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    Default Re: Abbey abuse orders - keeping the pressure on.

    Yes can be adopted if no aqicon, see here:
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    I really like the idea of using this against Abbeyicon in my aqicon this week. My only difficulty is the Lincoln Abuse Order...the link just takes me to a forum post; surely I can't use this can I? If not, should I just miss out that section & take it off my list? Any help greatly appreciated. Pursuing Abbey for £2800

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    Default Re: Abbey abuse orders - keeping the pressure on.

    Copy and paste it into word, check for typoicon's then print it off.

    Its the text thats important really. In fact, I will try to get a copy of the actual order, but for now the text is fine.

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    Default Re: Abbey abuse orders - keeping the pressure on.

    Perfect, that's all I need to know.

    Thanks for the super speedy reply

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    hI garyh
    Don't know what I can do, bank has sent 6 yearsicon statements but I had asked for statements relating to two accounts although other one became redundanticon last year. The bank has told me that there is no hope of getting these statements as they have changed their system..any ideas on this would be extremely helpful
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    Default Re: Abbey abuse orders - keeping the pressure on.

    Guys we've just done the aqicon (nasty mean version) it's all ready to go when we've got money for the court fee, but to whom do I send my Abbeyicon copy. Does it go to Trinton Sq, & if so is there anyone in particular to whom I should address it.

    Spent all this time & printing ink, may as well upset the right person

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    Hi Shoe Em, LOL yes, please upset the right person, in your copy of their defence there will be some letter headed paper, there should be an address started Location XXXXXX Abbeyicon house or somethng, you can get the name of the person dealing with your claim from their signed acknowledgement and probably the defence itself.

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    Well...... go to bed then lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lula View Post
    Hi Shoe Em, LOL yes, please upset the right person, in your copy of their defence there will be some letter headed paper, there should be an address started Location XXXXXX Abbeyicon house or somethng, you can get the name of the person dealing with your claim from their signed acknowledgement and probably the defence itself.

    sorry for the appalling spelling, it is very late
    Perfect...I have made out an envelope addressed to her in case there was no reply on here. Thanks Lula! Hope yours is going well x

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    Hi Gary,
    Just started my claim against Abbeyicon, so I think this will come in really handy.
    Thanks
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