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    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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In Oct 01 I had a RTA, nothing too serious, but at the time I was a total tw*t and was driving uninsured. Long story short the other party had her claim for damage and injury settled by Motor Insurers Bureau. In 2005 I had a letter from a company, can't remember who, asking me to contact them, which I did, to be told I was required to pay them £21k to settle the bill. This was the 1st I'd heard from anyone regarding the bill, as they claimed they had been trying to trace me from the time of payout upto when I had phoned them after receiving letter. I made no arrangements with them to pay, and have heard nothing since. I have since moved house, and also changed my name by deed poll in 2002.

 

What I'm trying to find out is what do I do? If they were to be able to trace me, would the fact that I have changed my name have any bearing on the debt? Would the time since the accident/payout have any effect?

 

What I did manage to find out during the brief call with them was that they would be pursuing me for the debt, and with it being a large amount, the possibilty of my being made bankrupt.

 

Before anyone lecture me on driving uninsured, I learnt my lesson, I had the points, I had the 6mth ban and the huge fine. I was young and knew it all.

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If they were to be able to trace me, would the fact that I have changed my name have any bearing on the debt? Would the time since the accident/payout have any effect?

 

My first thought was that the debt was time barred as it arose in 2001. However, on second reading I see that they contacted you in 2005 and I believe the clock started again at that point. The change of name has no impact except that it might make it harder to trace you.

 

What I did manage to find out during the brief call with them was that they would be pursuing me for the debt, and with it being a large amount, the possibilty of my being made bankrupt.

 

Their first step is to try to harrass you into paying.

 

If this doesn't work they will have to seek a County Court Judgement (CCJ) against you. However, it is possible they have already sought a CCJ, serving the writ at your previous address. (You could find out by checking your Credit Report, although it is possible that this could tip them off to your new address if you have not entered into any credit agreements in the intervening years.)

 

Once they have a CCJ they must then enforce payment. This can be be via a number of measures from a warrant of execution (sending around the bailiffs), an attachment of earnings order through to a petition for bankcruptcy. Remember that they are only likely to pursue you if they think you have income or assets to go after. In particular there is no point making you bankrupt unless you own property/possessions that they could realise to pay the debt. I'm not sure if they have to enforce the CCJ within 6 years - hopefully someone else can advise.

 

If they are not actively pursuing the debt and your credit record is not causing a problem you could just ignore it, but bear in mind that you may find it difficult to get a mortgage or credit later on. If they do contact you again, ask for a written statement of the alleged debt with a breakdown showing how it has arisen and seek advice from your local Citizens Advice Bureau. It is likely a lot of the alleged debt is fees imposed by the collection agency, which I believe could be disputed and it may be possible to negotiate a full and final settlement for a reduced payment.

 

Depending on the response you get here, you could also seek advice on the Motley Fool's Dealing with Debt board (www. fool.co. uk) where there are some very knowledgable, helpful people.

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Does anyone know if a debt owed to MIB (Motor Insurers B?) would become statute barred after the required amount of time? Accident back in 2001, uninsured at the time, yes I know, wrong, but I was younger and stupid. Anyway, had letters at the time which never got replied to, buried my head, again letters in 2004, which never got replied to and then nothing until last Friday when had a phone call. I enquired with them as to whether it was Statute Barred, but they claim that the MIB is exempt from it. Can anyone clear this matter up?

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Sorry if this sounds flippant, but I fail to see how they could trace me in the old name. Saying that I did have a phone call back in December from someone claiming to be from a parcel company, quoting my old name and address, and whilst not giving them my current name, did give them an alternative address, and lo and behold, a letter from Mib arrived a few days later. Now, I'm not saying that an organisation such at theirs would stoop to such levels, but on ringing, and then visiting said parcel company to locate the, by now, missing parcel, and being told that no such parcel exists, nor that they have any record of trying to trace anyone by that name or address, could the two incidents be connected? I think so, a pretty dubious attempt at locating someone dont you think?

Oh, and this letter was sent back as not known at this address.

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You did an illegal act and the MIB had to foot the bill for you. As such, they are well within their rights to come after you for the full amount of their outlay and you have no defence to the same.

 

They will use tracing agents, private investigators and the rest to find you as in the long run it's their job to do it and alot of the time they will receive the money back one way or another. It's not illegal and you will always leave a paper trail no matter how hard you try.

 

They even have their own recovery department who specialise in bankruptcy procedures against drivers that owe them and they rigorously pursue virtually all of the debtors, probably to set a standard so that people will realise that driving whilst uninsured is not wise...

 

The Courts don't look particularly fondly at the defendant's of such actions either and are not all that condusive to granting any relief....

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