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    Default Deathjester V NatWest ###won###

    Well i've been reading the forum for a while now, and i've started reclaiming my charges, however i've recieved a request from Cobbetts for a CPR part 18icon (as it appears a lot of people have) and i was just wondering what i should do about it:

    It says:

    In your claim you state: "the Defendent applied numerous default charges to the Claimant's bank account".

    Please provide the following particulars in support of your claim:
    To what account(s) (giving details of the account name, number and sort code) were the charges applied.
    In Relation to each charge please identify (a) the date when the charge was charged; (b) the ammount of the same; and (c)the reason(s) given for the charging of the same.
    In relation to each charge, please clarify the following: (a)is it the case of the Claimant the same should not have been charged? (b) If yes; please explain why the Claimant contends that the same should not have been charged? (c) If no; is it the case of the claimant that the same should not have been charged in this ammount? (d) If yes; please explain why the claimant should not have been charged this ammount and identify the sum the Claimant contends should have been charged. (e) If no; Please state the claimants case.

    In your claim you state that "the charges are an unlawful, extravagant penalty"

    Please provide the following particulars in support of your claim:
    Please specify the clause(s) pursuant to which the charges were applied
    Please specify whether the charges applied were due to a breach of contract by the Claimant
    Please identify in each case the particular breach of contract (by reference to the appropriate terms of the contract) that the charge related to.

    In your Claim you state that the charges are: "the charges applied constite an unfair penalty under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contract Regulations 1999"

    Please specify all of the facts relied on by the claimant in spport of the contentions in the paragraph above, and in particular please identify the contractual provision(s) that the claimant alleges are invalid by refereance to the Regulations
    Now my POCicon states:
    1. Between the dates of 31/01/03 and 29/12/06
    the Defendant applied numerous default
    charges to the Claimant's bank account.
    2. The charges applied constitute an unfair
    penalty under the Unfair Terms in Consumer
    Contracts Regulations, which state: "A term
    is unfair if it requires any consumer who
    fails his obligation to pay a
    disproportionately high sum in compensation".
    The amount charged does not reflect the cost
    of the breach.
    3. Under the law of penalties, the charges
    are an unlawful "extravagant" penalty.
    Referring to the case of 1896, Wilson v Love,
    a charge is a penalty if it does not reflect
    an item's true cost.
    4. The claimant claims interesticon under section
    69 of the County Courts Act 1984 at the rate
    of 8% a year from 31/01/03 to 23/02/07 of
    £217.23 and also interest at the same rate up
    to the date of judgment or earlier payment at
    a daily rate of £0.49.
    This was also sent to the court with 3 Copies of the Bank Chages which i am claiming. So why they need all this information again is beyond me!

    Is this just a scare tactic by the bank? And do i just send them the letter in
    Here

    I'm claiming a total of: £1829 at the moment + the little intrest that should have been incurred since the submission date.

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    Default Re: Deathjester V Natwest

    ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Cobbetts are notorious for sending demands for CPR18 . As your claim is under £5k it is not necessary. You can reply to the court and cobblers complaining if you wish. http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...equest-16.html. That thread should help you. Also i presume you have sent copies of your spreadsheet to the court and cobblers. If so sit back and wait for the allocation questionaire from the court. Good luck
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    Default Re: Deathjester V Natwest

    Thought as much, I'll send that off tomorrow

    Thanks for the prompt response.


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    Default Re: Deathjester V Natwest

    Pleasure


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    Default Re: Deathjester V Natwest

    Well having done all that I now have a court date of: Tuesday July 3rd at 10am in Brighton county courticon

    I have to have my stuff in 14 days before then:

    Now i need:

    A witness statement
    My account T & C's
    All the stuff that they have sent me that relates to penalty charges etc...

    anything i might have missed?


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    Default Re: Deathjester V Natwest

    Bump for Fendy (!!!)............ has he got everything he needs??? xxx


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    Default Re: Deathjester V Natwest

    This is what you will need

    a) http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...rt-bundle.html
    b) http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...cases-library/
    c) http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk...tutes-library/

    And those links should direct you to every bit of info you need. You will need three copies of all letters/spreadsheets/every bit of correspondence to date between yourself and the bank or the solicitors. Just follow the guidance in the links and prepare in plenty of time. They need your court bundle no later than two weeks before the trial hearing. So prepare in plenty of time and ensure everything is in on time. I take it the hearing is the actual case hearing. Or is this an allocation track hearing or something else. ??

    Fendy xxx

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    Default Re: Deathjester V Natwest

    Cheers fendy, Yeah it's already been allocated to small claims, this is the full sheebang

    I've got more than a month, but I don't want to be caught napping in 3 weeks time


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    Default Re: Deathjester V Natwest

    That's the spirit!!!!!!!

    Good luck deathjester............ let us know how you get on!!! Best wishes, hedgey xxx


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    Default Re: Deathjester V Natwest

    Keep posting once you know whats happening. Cobblers tend to settle up either shortly after aqicon been submitted or just after court bundle is submitted, so theres every chance you and your money could be reunited very very soon........... but prepare well in advance, then youre not caught out if they dont settle before the court date. But you will win. No probs, and dont let the Lloydsicon thing scare anybody. Its a one off fluke. Plenty of time between now and then to see how other cases go........... chin up. Fendy xxxx

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    ABBEY BANK - £5500.00 WON
    CAPITAL ONE VISA - £1800.00 WON
    HUBBYS CAPITAL ONE VISA £2012.00 WON
    TOTAL WON TO DATE: £25,400
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    NATWEST BANK -CLAIM 2 PRE 6 YEARS- ONGOING
    ABBEY BANK -CLAIM 2 PRE 6 YEARS - ONGOING
    YORKSHIRE BANK - AT SAR STATUS
    HALIFAX CREDIT CARD - AT SAR STATUS

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    Default Re: Deathjester V Natwest

    I'll print it all out when i get to work later, then sort out all the page references....

    Then fix it, then reprint it in a couple of days and send it off at the end of the week.

    Oh and once this one is resolved there are another 2 to go with Natwesticon (one covering the Bank charges since the start of this, and the other on my 2nd Account).


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    Default Re: Deathjester V Natwest

    Just got my cheque from Natwesticon....

    And it was almost time to hand over my documents as well

    They sent me a cheque for £1930 (£100 more than i'm claiming for YAY!)

    Cheers everyone.


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    CONGRATULATIONS. another fine win. Well done


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    Default Re: Deathjester V NatWest ###won###

    lol at the username!
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    Default Re: Deathjester V NatWest ###won###

    They have made the cheque out to me, but it also has the Account number of my account

    So: XXXX into a/c XXXXX

    Does that mean i have to pay this cheque into that account? or can I pay it into another account?


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