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Section 5. Time limit for actions founded on simple contract
An action founded on simple contract shall not be brought after the expiration of six years from the date on which the cause of action accrued.
But do the unlawful charges fall under this simple contract clause? Is there a case to argue for
Section 32. Postponement of limitation period in case of fraud, concealment ormistake
(a) the action is based upon the fraud of the defendant; or (b) any fact relevant to the plaintiff's right of action has been deliberately concealed from him by the defendant; or (c) the action is for relief from the consequences of a mistake;
the period of limitation shall not begin to run until the plaintiff has discovered the fraud, concealment or mistake (as the case may be) or could with reasonable diligence have discovered it.
Comments would be great, i don't quite understand what this is telling me. Does this mean we have have six years from the date we discover all of the mistaken/unlawful charges to recover all of the mistaken/unlawful charges taken in the years prior?
This has been discussed elsewhere (not sure where do a search should come up), not sure of the outcome.
My argument was that you can only get round the 6 years on the grounds of 'b' but then did the banks conceal anything, they told you they would charge you, they told you what they would charge you for and how much. We just all assumed it was lawful, does that make it concealment?
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What I am saying is that if the bank successfully claims that it did not knowingly conceal this - as they were unaware that the charges were unlawful. Then it could be said that the bank had made a legal "error" in charging the fees, therefore we are applying for relief from that error, or mistake.
This is just following a logical line of thinking from the Act, I would say that the banks would shoot themselves in the foot by attempting to try and overturn a claim in court, on the basis of it being statute barred.
Before they can even attempt to do that, they first have to acknowledge that the charges are unlawful - something they certainly won't do!
Alan, Derby, UK.
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Surely if the argued successfully against "b", then "c" could be used instead?
Thanks, that was my thoughts, i will get onto the task of going back to '94.
With regards to the DPA request how far back are the records required to be kept by the banks. HSBC say they have nothing prior to 6 years, is this just a fob off?
Alan you may be right, i'd be interest to find out, after all my charges go back more then 6 years as well.
The problem is going to be getting the banks to give us the information, i'm not sure how long they are required to hold on to the information for, although i would think it's longer then 6 years.
I have already served Lloyds with a letter before action on this matter and will be issuing the Court Papers next Thursday. Their solicitors are already in touch claiming that it does not apply. We'll see, I'm going all the way with this one. The sum involved is just over £300 but the principle is much more interesting. Luckily I had statements back to 1995 so no DPA problems.
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It would seem to me that if they have been told that they have over charged their customers by the OFT, FSA, MPs and European Parlament and the acts of 77 & 99.
Its just as bad as the builders who say they will do A job for X £1000s of pounds and do nothing and then are jailed by the courts for 4 1/2 years, as seen on watch dog recently. After all they were paid for nothing.
And they have written thier contracts in full knowledge that the contract is unlawfull and thier legal department should no this.
And maybe we should point this out if it ends up in court.
The concealment in clause (b) does NOT refer to the charges at all. It refers to the concealment of the UNLAWFULNESS of the charges (the Cause). The banks knew (know) the charges were unlawful, and concealed (in fact, continue to conceal) that fact. Clause (b) is, in my opinion, fully in force. You were advised by a third party that the charges were unlawful and are proceeding with your action on that basis; therefore your six years begins when you were informed.
Failing to establish and maintain the details of the debt history may also raise
concerns about compliance with the fourth principle of the Data Protection Act
which requires that 'personal data shall be accurate and, where necessary, kept up to date'...... http://www.oft.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/5...0/0/oft664.pdf
Any use when requesting records involving debt prior to 6 years from the banks?
Just discovered that i have paid out in charges in the last 5 years with Halifax, BOS, Halifax Visa, Citycard Visa, Capital One Visa,Barclaycard Visa,and Monument Visa the total sun of £5750 which i have statements showing these charges. I have also discovered that i was charged £2430 by the co-op bank dating back to 1996, I will be sending my Preliminary approach for repayment letters to the former, however not sure what to do about approaching the co-op because of the six years limit. Any advise would be most appreciated many thanks Groovycaz
Ruthbridge / 6 years: I was out of the country since February 2003. I have only just received a letter from Ruthbridge Limited. I found out about the Limitation Act 1980 today. What should I do now?
Ruthbridge are trying to claim from me.
This Limitations Act is all new to me.
All I see is that if there has not been any "activity for 6 years it has lapsed ?"
Provided that you have not made a payment, or acknowledged the debt in writing during the last 6 years, then it is statute barred - provided it is not mortgage capital which has a 12 year limitation. However, please can you start your own thread on this in the following forum:
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