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    Default Limitation Act 1980 & Time limits for claims.

    I have been doing a little digging regarding the time limits for claims, in most cases & even legal advice comes down to Sect 5 limitation acticon 1980
    http://www.lawcom.gov.uk/docs/cp151apa.pdf

    Section 5. Time limit for actions founded on simple contract

    An action founded on simple contract shall not be brought after the expiration
    of six years from the date on which the cause of action accrued.

    But do the unlawful charges fall under this simple contract clause? Is there a case to argue for

    Section 32. Postponement of limitation period in case of fraud, concealment or mistake

    (a) the action is based upon the fraud of the defendant; or
    (b) any fact relevant to the plaintiff's right of action has
    been deliberately concealed from him by the defendant;
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    (c) the action is for relief from the consequences of a
    mistake;

    the period of limitation shall not begin to run until the plaintiff has
    discovered the fraud, concealment or mistake (as the case may be)
    or could with reasonable diligence have discovered it.

    Comments would be great, i don't quite understand what this is telling me. Does this mean we have have six years from the date we discover all of the mistaken/unlawful charges to recover all of the mistaken/unlawful charges taken in the years prior?

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    Default Re: Limitation Act 1980 & Time limits for claims.

    This has been discussed elsewhere (not sure where do a search should come up), not sure of the outcome.

    My argument was that you can only get round the 6 yearsicon on the grounds of 'b' but then did the banks conceal anything, they told you they would charge you, they told you what they would charge you for and how much. We just all assumed it was lawful, does that make it concealment?


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    Default Re: Limitation Act 1980 & Time limits for claims.

    Surely if the argued successfully against "b", then "c" could be used instead?

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    Default Re: Limitation Act 1980 & Time limits for claims.

    But it's not a mistake on the banks part and the only mistake on our part is ignorance.

    Would be differant if they said we'll take £5.00 but took £30.00 and we didn't notice the mistake.


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    Default Re: Limitation Act 1980 & Time limits for claims.

    What I am saying is that if the bank successfully claims that it did not knowingly conceal this - as they were unaware that the charges were unlawful. Then it could be said that the bank had made a legal "error" in charging the fees, therefore we are applying for relief from that error, or mistake.

    This is just following a logical line of thinking from the Act, I would say that the banks would shoot themselves in the foot by attempting to try and overturn a claim in court, on the basis of it being statute barredicon.

    Before they can even attempt to do that, they first have to acknowledge that the charges are unlawful - something they certainly won't do!

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    Default Re: Limitation Act 1980 & Time limits for claims.

    Quote Originally Posted by alanfromderby
    Surely if the argued successfully against "b", then "c" could be used instead?
    Thanks, that was my thoughts, i will get onto the task of going back to '94.

    With regards to the DPA request how far back are the records required to be kept by the banks. HSBCicon say they have nothing prior to 6 yearsicon, is this just a fob off?


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    Default Re: Limitation Act 1980 & Time limits for claims.

    Alan you may be right, i'd be interesticon to find out, after all my charges go back more then 6 yearsicon as well.

    The problem is going to be getting the banks to give us the information, i'm not sure how long they are required to hold on to the information for, although i would think it's longer then 6 years.


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    I have already served Lloydsicon with a letter before actionicon on this matter and will be issuing the Court Papers next Thursday. Their solicitors are already in touch claiming that it does not apply. We'll see, I'm going all the way with this one. The sum involved is just over £300 but the principle is much more interesting. Luckily I had statements back to 1995 so no DPA problems.

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    Default Re: Limitation Act 1980 & Time limits for claims.

    Mgizmogpc - Do you have a thread open for the claim you mention? it would be interesting to follow the story.

    Are you going to use s32 to get around s5 Limitations Act?

    Best of luck,


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    Default Re: Limitation Act 1980 & Time limits for claims.

    Just read this act.

    It would seem to me that if they have been told that they have over charged their customers by the OFT, FSA, MPs and European Parlament and the acts of 77 & 99.

    Its just as bad as the builders who say they will do A job for X £1000s of pounds and do nothing and then are jailed by the courts for 4 1/2 years, as seen on watch dog recently. After all they were paid for nothing.

    And they have written thier contracts in full knowledge that the contract is unlawfull and thier legal department should no this.

    And maybe we should point this out if it ends up in court.


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    Default Re: Limitation Act 1980 & Time limits for claims.

    The concealment in clause (b) does NOT refer to the charges at all. It refers to the concealment of the UNLAWFULNESS of the charges (the Cause). The banks knew (know) the charges were unlawful, and concealed (in fact, continue to conceal) that fact. Clause (b) is, in my opinion, fully in force. You were advised by a third party that the charges were unlawful and are proceeding with your action on that basis; therefore your six years begins when you were informed.


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    Default Re: Limitation Act 1980 & Time limits for claims.

    Failing to establish and maintain the details of the debt history may also raise
    concerns about compliance with the fourth principle of the Data Protection Act
    which requires that 'personal dataicon shall be accurate and, where necessary, kept up to date'...... http://www.oft.gov.uk/NR/rdonlyres/5...0/0/oft664.pdf

    Any use when requesting records involving debt prior to 6 yearsicon from the banks?



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    Default Re: Limitation Act 1980 & Time limits for claims.

    Just discovered that i have paid out in charges in the last 5 years with Halifaxicon, BOS, Halifax Visa, Citycard Visa, Capital Oneicon Visa,Barclaycard Visa,and Monument Visa the total sun of £5750 which i have statements showing these charges. I have also discovered that i was charged £2430 by the co-op bank dating back to 1996, I will be sending my Preliminary approach for repayment letters to the former, however not sure what to do about approaching the co-op because of the six years limit. Any advise would be most appreciated many thanks Groovycaz


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    Default Re: Limitation Act 1980 & Time limits for claims.

    It's for them to argue your "out of time"

    There is another more comprehensive thread on this subject. I would provide a link but I ain't clever enough. I'm sure someone else will


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    Ruthbridge / 6 yearsicon: I was out of the country since February 2003. I have only just received a letter from Ruthbridge Limited. I found out about the Limitation Act 1980 today. What should I do now?


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    Default Re: Limitation Act 1980 & Time limits for claims.

    Sebastian...it's of no consequence if you were out of the country from 2003, submit your claim......now.

    P.S..I've been off this planet since 2001.....

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    Ruthbridge are trying to claim from me.
    This Limitations Act is all new to me.
    All I see is that if there has not been any "activity for 6 yearsicon it has lapsed ?"


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    Default Re: Limitation Act 1980 & Time limits for claims.

    Seb- Just ignore their begging letters. If they are stupid enough to start a claim against you, come back and we'll wipe the floor with them.


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    Default Re: Limitation Act 1980 & Time limits for claims.

    Provided that you have not made a payment, or acknowledged the debt in writing during the last 6 yearsicon, then it is statute barred - provided it is not mortgageicon capital which has a 12 year limitation. However, please can you start your own thread on this in the following forum:

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