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    Question Yosemite v Yorkshire Bank ***WON***

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    I started my claim against Yorkshire Bankicon In December and submitted a MCOL after sending all the recommended letters. The Bank has today entered a defence stating that the claimant must obtain the banks agreement before overdrawing and that charges and interest were published in their tariffs. They also deny that the charges are disproportionatel penalty and unenforeceable as alleged in my claim and they were a genuine pre-estimate of cost for failing to keep within the agreed overdrafticon limit. They further deny that the charges were levied pursuant to a contract term under section 4 of the unfair contracts terms act 1977 and that by virtue of section 15 of the supply of goods services act 1982 the charges fall to be determined by reference to what is reasonable for the service. Therefore section 15 of the act has no application in these proceedings.
    They go on to say that the charges were not unfair within the meaning of the unfiar terms in consumer contrct regulations 1999. The charges are not compensation, but a fee for the service provided by the Bank. The believe that the terms and conditionsicon were fair in relation to the cost to the bank of maintaining adminicon systems relating to unauthorised overdrafts, unpaid cheques etc for the purpose of keeping the level of overdrawing under review and controlled.
    HELP. I want to take this all the way and I am prepared to go to court, but I am feeling a bit out of my depth with all this legal jargon. What is my next step do I need to do anything and is what they say true.

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated

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    What is my next step do I need to do anything
    Wait for the aqicon:
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    and is what they say true.
    What??? A bank, lie to you? How could you think such a thing?


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    I hope a lie is not being suggested as I believe that could be libellous and potentially cause damage to the site, especially without proof.

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    Quote Originally Posted by caro View Post
    I hope a lie is not being suggested as I believe that could be libellous and potentially cause damage to the site, especially without proof.
    of course not.
    how silly to suggest it in the first place.



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    Quote Originally Posted by yosemite View Post
    Hi,

    I started my claim against Yorkshire Bankicon In December and submitted a MCOL after sending all the recommended letters. The Bank has today entered a defence stating that the claimant must obtain the banks agreement before overdrawing and that charges and interest were published in their tariffs. They also deny that the charges are disproportionatel penalty and unenforeceable as alleged in my claim and they were a genuine pre-estimate of cost for failing to keep within the agreed overdrafticon limit. They further deny that the charges were levied pursuant to a contract term under section 4 of the unfair contracts terms act 1977 and that by virtue of section 15 of the supply of goods services act 1982 the charges fall to be determined by reference to what is reasonable for the service. Therefore section 15 of the act has no application in these proceedings.
    They go on to say that the charges were not unfair within the meaning of the unfiar terms in consumer contrct regulations 1999. The charges are not compensation, but a fee for the service provided by the Bank. The believe that the terms and conditionsicon were fair in relation to the cost to the bank of maintaining adminicon systems relating to unauthorised overdrafts, unpaid cheques etc for the purpose of keeping the level of overdrawing under review and controlled.
    HELP. I want to take this all the way and I am prepared to go to court, but I am feeling a bit out of my depth with all this legal jargon. What is my next step do I need to do anything and is what they say true.

    Any advice would be greatly appreciated

    Thanks
    Hi

    I am not suggesting that it is a lie but I am not familiar with legal jargon or all these acts they keep quoting and I suppose what I really want to know is how to reply to these issues. I would like to hear from anyone else who has claimed or is claiming from Yorkshire Bank.


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    Just jesting!

    Be sure to watch whistleblower, bbc1, its on right now....



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    Sorry Yosemite, I'm afraid you were victim to some high spirits. You did nothing wrong. Michael Brownes advice re the aqicon was spot on.

    Fed up with bank charges?
    Email your MP TODAY!!!

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    When the Liberals and Conservatives were in opposition they both agreed that banks should pay back high bank charges to customers. Nothing seems to of happened since they came into power as a coalition. PPI insurance has been sorted now they should turn their attention to bank charges and help customers get exorbitant charges refunded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by yosemite View Post
    They go on to say that the charges were not unfair within the meaning of the unfiar terms in consumer contrct regulations 1999. The charges are not compensation, but a fee for the service provided by the Bank.
    This is known as cloaking a service, and the OFT, in their booklet "Calculating Fair Charges" points out specifically that this is not allowed. The penalty is a penalty, and it is not a fee for a service...

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    I am not suggesting that it is a lie but I am not familiar with legal jargon or all these acts they keep quoting and I suppose what I really want to know is how to reply to these issues. I would like to hear from anyone else who has claimed or is claiming from Yorkshire Bankicon.

    Easy to find this..........go and look at threads in the Yorkshire/Clydesdale section........and if you are not convinced then the settled cases in the same section should convince you 1

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    Hi, I am just sending in my allocation questionnaireicon. I am using the new strategy and sending this with Draft Order for Directions and have a question regarding this. If this is agreed what would I send for c) and d) Statement of evidence and copies of decided cases and other legal materials.


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    Assuming the judge actually makes the draft into an order, you will then have to provide -

    a) schedule of charges and interesticon
    b) statements showing charges
    c) statement of evidence
    d) cases and statutes. These can be found in the Basic Court Bundle

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    Another question. I have sent all my previous correspondence to Yorkshire Bankicon in Leeds, but received a copy of their defence from the Legal Dept in Glasgow which address should I send the copy of the allocation questionnaireicon to Leeds or Glasgow


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    Glasgow - all correspondance and court documents should be served to the solicitors.

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    Thread moved to the YB forum.

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    Hi Yosemite,

    You might want to add to the draft order to request disclosure of CYNtheSYS. The system identified in Whistleblower which identifies the exact amount it costs them to process any transaction.

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    Hi, I rang the court today as submitted my allocation questionnaireicon over 2 weeks ago and Yorkshireicon have only just submitted theirs and missed the deadline date. I spoke to a clerk who said that there is chance that it may be referred to the Leeds Court something to do with the Mercantile Court and consistency because of the volume of cases. He said this was up to the local judge and I will hear something soon. If this happens is this good or bad and what should I expect.


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    It's good. See here:
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    Hi, I have been reading about the hearing at Mecantile Court in Leeds on 26th April and I am starting to feel worried as I believe my case may also be referred to Leeds. I submitted my allocation questionnaireicon 3 weeks ago and rang the court last week and they informed me that that I should hear from them within the next week. Could you confirm that all the YB cases were settled? I know they asked for the cases to be delayed until the end of the year when the OFT REPORT


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    Hi, I have been reading about the hearing at Mecantile Court in Leeds on 26th April and I am starting to feel worried as I believe my case may also be referred to Leeds. I submitted my allocation questionnaireicon 3 weeks ago and rang the court last week and they informed me that that I should hear from them within the next week. Could you confirm that all the YB cases were settled? I know they asked for the cases to be delayed until the end of the year when the OFT REPORT is out do you think this is likely to be agreed at future hearings? also what happens if your case is selected as a Test Case?


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    Could you confirm that all the YB cases were settled?
    As far as I'm aware, yes.
    I know they asked for the cases to be delayed until the end of the year when the OFT REPORT
    And they asked to be transferred back to Small Claims, judge refused both requests.



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