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    Default Action against YES/DAF

    Started action against Direct Auto Finance on the 15th Feb with an SARicon, the details arrived back in double quick time. Will be claiming back all of the £15 adminicon charges they apply every time they send us a letter and will be trying to get back approx £1500 for PPIicon insurance we were mis-sold as we were and still are, self-employed.

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    Default Re: Action against YES/DAF

    Just had a thought, I take it I will need to make two separate claims, one for the charges and one for the PPIicon, am I right?

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    i too took out PPIicon with YES/DAF and was/am self employed. does this mean i can claim back a mis-sold insurance policy and if so...why?. i am just about to tell them i want a VT on my agreemnet..will this go for me?


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    Have given them notice i.e. lbaicon and am now due to send out forms for court claim as I had an unsatisfactory letter telling me that we had agreed to them making claims from us for late payment by signing the original agreement; but if they'd read the letter as set out in the standard docs in the forum, then they would have realised I wasn't claiming for the fact they had charged, merely the fact that the charges are hefty. None the less going ahead with claim as I had instructed them I would.

    Also thought I'd better look into the PPIicon, according to the agreement, of which I have the original, and a leaflet that I also kept from the time we took the car credit on, both say that we are covered even as self-employed. We took the finance out in Nov 2003, did things change after this, I remember questioning whether we actually had to have it and that that question was answered 'yes' and I remembering questioning the self-employed bit but was told that was ok. Does anyone know when the legislation changed so that insurances did not have to be bought from the company that were arranging the loan.


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    I can't believe DAF! We put the court papers in for the charges that they have illegally applied to my husbands account a week last Friday, so I can only assume that they have by now received their copy, ours has not yet arrived. Yesterday morning I received this from them (I have highlighted the parts that I believe are important):




    I am really p****d off as I imagine that they are trying to use any means possible by not repaying us what we are owed by them. What really annoys me is that they haven't even specified a date for the letter, we never received the default notice in September last year, we have paid every month as is owed, even if late (the charges we have claimed for are late penalties) and we only have 6 payments left to make which only adds up to £1607.58. I don't think they know what they are doing and I believe they are obviously using underhand tactics to recover something that just isn't even owing. Our claim has gone in for about £800 so about half of what is outstanding.

    Can anyone help, obviously I am going to have to write to them and find out what is going on in the next couple of days. You see I don't even believe that this is because of Paul's bankruptcy, why wait from January this year when Paul's bankruptcy was cited to send this letter to us if that were the case. No, I am almost sure that it is because we have taken them to court. BTW, why would they also say about taking the car back when we only have 6 payments to make, that would cost us even more as we would be charged for them trying to do that. Believe me, if I could afford the £800 ish that we owed them less interesticon for early payment then I would do it, they are so infuriating and so unreasonable!


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    Default Re: Action against YES/DAF

    you now have no agreement with them - they have ended it, they now have to take you to court if they want their money unless you sign a new agreement, i am sure you dont want to! i am in the same position with welcome, technically- i assume i cannot reclaim my charges as they have no agreement with me, but they cannot enforce an agreement they do not have in court either.


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    Default Re: Action against YES/DAF

    Then that is even more stupid of them, they can not take a bankrupt to court. In other words then I need to send this to the receiver and let them take care of it, by which time the agreement will probably be paid up. Not that they have their figures right anyway?

    The thing I don't understand is that if we have not received any documentation which they say they have sent last September, why have they now waited until now, some 9 months after this supposed letter was sent and with only 6 months left, it's not like we're at the start of it we're at the end and as far as the courts would be concerned we have paid as we should every month. Any other thoughts?


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    Hmmmm get a clear head here, the agreement is in place unless settlement is paid or wiped via IVA or bankruptcy. If Paul is a bankrupt they will still chase until they are satisfied otherwise. Lance I know these companies make our blood boil but m8 the agreement is in place in the finance comps eyes. Keep going with your claim, they are two sep matters m8, one is your claim and other is theirs. Lance you can still claim the charges back whether or not the agreement has been settled. You have the right to challenge their charges with normal process, Data Protection Act then lbaicon etc, go for it and claim back what has been taken from u.


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    Default Re: Action against YES/DAF

    Quote Originally Posted by calvi36 View Post
    Hmmmm get a clear head here, the agreement is in place unless settlement is paid or wiped via IVA or bankruptcy. If Paul is a bankrupt they will still chase until they are satisfied otherwise. Lance I know these companies make our blood boil but m8 the agreement is in place in the finance comps eyes. Keep going with your claim, they are two sep matters m8, one is your claim and other is theirs. Lance you can still claim the charges back whether or not the agreement has been settled. You have the right to challenge their charges with normal process, Data Protection Act then lbaicon etc, go for it and claim back what has been taken from u.
    Thanks for this Calvi, I was almost sure that what they are trying to do was underhand and considering I got my copies through of our claim this morning from the court, then I do truly now believe that this is why they are trying to get this money from us at their earliest conveinience so that they can then say they have no case to answer. I shall compose my letter this afternoon and post for you all to see and make your judgement on.


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    Oh the joys of this company. I have just been to court against Yes/DAF so I might be able to help a little. We returned the car last year and they are now chasing us for the outstanding insurances. However when we got to court it was thrown out because they made a mess of the particulars of claim. The jugde throw it out and told them they had 2 months to resubmit the correct paper work and she then told me I am to defend it and said things about the recent rulings. As of yet we havent heard anything from them but no doubt we will.

    I would continue your claim against them especially if it is for £800 as this is half of what you said you owed. (Sorry if I am reading this wrong) I would continue to pay them cause even if they did try and take you to court by the time you got there your 6months would nearly be up and hopefully you will have your £800 back to plus it will look good to the judge that you contiuned to pay. Not sure if this is any help but good luck and feel free to ask me any questions you like

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    HFC - Data protection letter sent - 17/07/06
    - prim letter sent for £900 - 27/07/06
    - LBA sent 10/08/06 asking for £945
    - letter from HFC offering £450
    - Letter from HFC offering £946.36
    - Settled in full before filing MCOL
    Ikea - Data protection letter sent - 31/07/06
    - prim letter for £580 - 10/08/06
    -Letter from ikea offering £250 - refused
    -LBA sent 26/08/06
    - Settled in full before filing MCOL
    Alliance and Leicester
    - Prim letter sent for £815 - 10/05/07
    - LBA sent for £815 - 31/05/07
    - Letter from A and L offering £143.50
    HSBC - Data protection sent 10/05/07

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    Default Re: Action against YES/DAF

    Just realised I've made a mistake with the court papers (can't believe I've done this but their statements are so confusing).

    I was looking through the stuff about the PPIicon and thought I'd better sort out the statement to find out if we were behind and by how much, they would never tell us and keep adding their £15 charges on month by month and they have to have arrived at their figures somehow. Somehow we're behind by half a month so am going to rectify that today.

    Anyway, realised that although they show they debit the account with charges they credit them as well, very confusing but having thought they'd added them in twice have no found that my claim has gone in for double what it should be although I still have to add the charges on from the end of Jan 2007 including the £25 for the letter they have just sent.

    Will I be able to correct this when I put the bundle in? Because obviously I am over charging them - I suppose its up to them to put in their defence!


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    Default Re: Action against YES/DAF

    Oh and for info I found a letter from them in response to ours about the charges which they don't call charges (although they are called fee's on their statements), they call them liquidated damages. Oh, what spin - they must think we're stupid or something.


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    I think that you can amend your particulars of claim or claim amount. Your best bet is to ring the court and find out. I also agree I found their statements very very confusing and took me a long time to go through everything.

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    HFC - Data protection letter sent - 17/07/06
    - prim letter sent for £900 - 27/07/06
    - LBA sent 10/08/06 asking for £945
    - letter from HFC offering £450
    - Letter from HFC offering £946.36
    - Settled in full before filing MCOL
    Ikea - Data protection letter sent - 31/07/06
    - prim letter for £580 - 10/08/06
    -Letter from ikea offering £250 - refused
    -LBA sent 26/08/06
    - Settled in full before filing MCOL
    Alliance and Leicester
    - Prim letter sent for £815 - 10/05/07
    - LBA sent for £815 - 31/05/07
    - Letter from A and L offering £143.50
    HSBC - Data protection sent 10/05/07

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    Default Re: Action against YES/DAF

    Thanks Emma

    I phoned the court and they told me that I needed to fill out N244icon which I can use to amend the details and as it was going down in value he said he couldn't see any problem with it. Just want to find out what their charges have been lately to add them in. I think I'm getting the lette sorted in my head!

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    Default Re: Action against YES/DAF

    Here is a copy of the letter I sent to them today:




    Collections Department Manager
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    Head Office
    Springfield House
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    Agreement No: XXXXXXXXXXXXX

    15th May 2007

    Dear Sir/Madam

    Quite frankly I am extremely angry with the customer service I have had from your company and would like to point out that a payment was paid on this account on Saturday 12th May 2007, the same day I received your letter which is undated, begging the question how are we to make payment ‘within 3 working days of the date of this letter’ if there is no date on it? The payment was made for £267.93 plus £15 for another of your charges, in cash, at the post office, using one of your cards. I trust that you have received this by now, the reference number for this transaction being XXX. I would also like to point out that we never received a copy of the default notice that you claim to have sent out in September 2006, perhaps you should use some of the income you generate from sending letters to customers by sending these important letters via recorded post, as I have done with this letter to you.

    Also, having looked at the amount that is still owing and checking the details through on the statement of account that is made up until 25th January 2007 I do not concur with the amount that you say is outstanding. Please could you send me a statement showing payments and fees from the 25th January to the present day so that I can reconcile this and make sure that all payments have been received your end. As soon as I am aware that an amount is outstanding I will pay this and bring the account up to date. I trust that this will be sent to me by return of post so that this issue can be resolved as soon as possible.

    Finally, this is now my formal request for you to stop telephoning me. Your calls have becoming increasingly harassing in nature and as the telephone number you have for me is not only for my residence but also my place of work I would suggest that you stop using it. Any further telephone callsicon from you will be considered harassment and I shall speak to my solicitor with respect to your actions. I will now only accept correspondence from you in writing and ask that you respect my wishes, and I trust that I will not be charged for ‘normal’ written correspondence.

    Yours sincerely






    Mr Paul W Parks

    cc Steve Plowman, Managing Director



    Hope this does the trick and at least we get the statement and no phone callsicon.

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    Good Luck gallygaskins! I am also in dispute with daf and find there constant phone callsicon a bloody nightmare. Also there statement of my account is so confusing, I still have not worked it out but I will be claiming all those charges back off them. GOOD LUCK!!


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    I got my CAR repoed by them after they took me to court now there chasing me for over £5K. No bloody way are they getting any more out of me its now making ill I don't know what to do.

    Please help

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    Hi onlymarsbar

    Need to know bit more info before can help. How long had you had the car when it was repoed. How much had you paid to them. Did they get a court order to take the car back? Did you take out all the lovely insurances on the car? When did this all happen?

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    HFC - Data protection letter sent - 17/07/06
    - prim letter sent for £900 - 27/07/06
    - LBA sent 10/08/06 asking for £945
    - letter from HFC offering £450
    - Letter from HFC offering £946.36
    - Settled in full before filing MCOL
    Ikea - Data protection letter sent - 31/07/06
    - prim letter for £580 - 10/08/06
    -Letter from ikea offering £250 - refused
    -LBA sent 26/08/06
    - Settled in full before filing MCOL
    Alliance and Leicester
    - Prim letter sent for £815 - 10/05/07
    - LBA sent for £815 - 31/05/07
    - Letter from A and L offering £143.50
    HSBC - Data protection sent 10/05/07

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    Subscribing.

    Barclays (2 accounts) WON
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    Cohen's: WON (discontinued)
    DLC: Given up, gone away.
    Eversheds: Trying!
    Equidebt: In default
    Intrum J: Return to OC
    iQor: Stopped paying.
    Link: In default.
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    Hi everyone,

    Well i've been awaiting their responses and now it is time to submit my pack, I guess it is as the one for the bank charges, etc as this is consumer law and what they have done is illegal so fingers crossed eh?

    They are also coniving b*****ds, they've sold the debt onto another company, I will be so happy when I get my money off em, if they ever pay up atleast I'll be able to tell the debt collectoricon where to go and get his money from.

    I'll keep you posted with anythng else

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