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    • They did reply to my defence stating it would fail and enclosed copies of NOA, DN Term letter and account statements. All copies of T&C's that could be reconstructions and the IP address on there resolves to the town where MBNA offices are, not my location
    • My defence was standard no paperwork:   1.The Defendant contends that the particulars of claim are generic in nature. The Defendant accordingly sets out its case below and relies on CPR r 16.5 (3) in relation to any particular allegation to which a specific response has not been made. 2. Paragraph 1 is noted. The Defendant has had a contractual relationship with MBNA Limited in the past. The Defendant does not recognise the reference number provided by the claimant within its particulars and has sought verification from the claimant who is yet to comply with requests for further information. 3. Paragraph 2 is denied. The Defendant maintains that a default notice was never received. The Claimant is put to strict proof to that a default notice was issued by MBNA Limited and received by the Defendant. 4. Paragraph 3 is denied. The Defendant is unaware of any legal assignment or Notice of Assignment allegedly served from either the Claimant or MBNA Limited. 5. On the 02/01/2023 the Defendant requested information pertaining to this claim by way of a CCA 1974 Section 78 request. The claimant is yet to respond to this request. On the 19/05/2023 a CPR 31.14 request was sent to Kearns who is yet to respond. To date, 02/06/2023, no documentation has been received. The claimant remains in default of my section 78 request. 6. It is therefore denied with regards to the Defendant owing any monies to the Claimant, the Claimant has failed to provide any evidence of proof of assignment being sent/ agreement/ balance/ breach or termination requested by CPR 31.14, therefore the Claimant is put to strict proof to: (a) show how the Defendant entered into an agreement; and (b) show and evidence the nature of breach and service of a default notice pursuant to Section 87(1) CCA1974 (c) show how the claimant has reached the amount claimed for; and (d) show how the Claimant has the legal right, either under statute or equity to issue a claim; 7. As per Civil Procedure Rule 16.5(4), it is expected that the Claimant prove the allegation that the money is owed. 8. On the alternative, as the Claimant is an assignee of a debt, it is denied that the Claimant has the right to lay a claim due to contraventions of Section 136 of the Law of Property Act and Section 82A of the consumer credit Act 1974. 9. By reasons of the facts and matters set out above, it is denied that the Claimant is entitled to the relief claimed or any relief.
    • Monika the first four pages of the Private parking section have at least 12 of our members who have also been caught out on this scam site. That's around one quarter of all our current complaints. Usually we might expect two current complaints for the same park within 4 pages.  So you are in good company and have done well in appealing to McDonalds in an effort to resolve the matter without having  paid such a bunch of rogues. Most people blindly pay up. Met . Starbucks and McDonalds  are well aware of the situation and seem unwilling to make it easier for motorists to avoid getting caught. For instance, instead of photographing you, if they were honest and wanted you  to continue using their services again, they would have said "Excuse me but if you are going to go to Mc donalds from here, it will cost you £100." But no they kett quiet and are now pursuing you for probably a lot more than £100 now. They also know thst  they cannot charge anything over the amount stated on the car park signs. Their claims for £160 or £170 are unlawful yet so many pay that to avoid going to Court. When the truth is that Met are unlikely to take them to Court since they know they will lose. The PCNs are issued on airport land which is covered by Byelaws so only the driver can be pursued, not the keeper. But they keep writing to you as they do not know who was driving unless you gave it away when you appealed. Even if they know you were driving they should still lose in Court for several reasons. The reason we ask you to fill out our questionnaire is to help you if MET do decide to take you to Court in the end. Each member who visited the park may well have different experiences while there which can help when filling out a Witness statement [we will help you with that if it comes to it.] if you have thrown away the original PCN  and other paperwork you obviously haven't got a jerbil or a guinea pig as their paper makes great litter boxes for them.🙂 You can send an SAR to them to get all the information Met have on you to date. Though if you have been to several sites already, you may have done that by now. In the meantime, you will be being bombarded by illiterate debt collectors and sixth rate solicitors all threatening you with ever increasing amounts as well as being hung drawn and quartered. Their letters can all be safely ignored. On the odd chance that you may get a Letter of Claim from them just come back to us and we will get you to send a snotty letter back to them so that they know you are not happy, don't care a fig for their threats and will see them off in Court if they finally have the guts to carry on. If you do have the original PCN could you please post it up, carefully removing your name. address and car registration number but including dates and times. If not just click on the SAR to take you to the form to send to Met.
    • In order for us to help you we require the following information:- [if there are more than one defendant listed - tell us] 1 defendant   Which Court have you received the claim from ? County Court Business Centre, Northampton   Name of the Claimant ? LC Asset 2 S.A R.L   Date of issue – . 28/04/23   Particulars of Claim   What is the claim for –    (1) The Claimant ('C') claims the whole of the outstanding balance due and payable under an agreement referenced xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx and opened effective from xx/xx/2017. The agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974 ('CCA'), was signed by the Defendant ('D') and from which credit was extended to D.   (2) D failed to comply with a Default Notice served pursuant to s87 (1) CCA and by xx/xx/2022 a default was recorded.   (3) As at xx/xx/2022 the Defendant owed MBNA LTD the sum of 12,xxx.xx. By an agreement in writing the benefit of the debt has been legally assigned to C effective xx/xx/2022 and made regular upon C serving a Notice of Assignment upon D shortly thereafter.   (4) And C claims- 1. 12,xxx.xx 2. Interest pursuant to Section 69 County Courts Act 1984 at a rate of 8% per annum from xx/01/2023 to xx/04/2023 of 2xx.xx and thereafter at a daily rate of 2.52 to date of judgement or sooner payment. Date xx/xx/2023   What is the total value of the claim? 12k   Have you received prior notice of a claim being issued pursuant to paragraph 3 of the PAPDC (Pre Action Protocol) ? Yes   Have you changed your address since the time at which the debt referred to in the claim was allegedly incurred? No   Did you inform the claimant of your change of address? N/A Is the claim for - a Bank Account (Overdraft) or credit card or loan or catalogue or mobile phone account? Credit Card   When did you enter into the original agreement before or after April 2007 ? After   Do you recall how you entered into the agreement...On line /In branch/By post ? Online   Is the debt showing on your credit reference files (Experian/Equifax /Etc...) ? Yes, but amount differs slightly   Has the claim been issued by the original creditor or was the account assigned and it is the Debt purchaser who has issued the claim. DP issued claim   Were you aware the account had been assigned – did you receive a Notice of Assignment? Not that I recall...   Did you receive a Default Notice from the original creditor? Not that I recall...   Have you been receiving statutory notices headed “Notice of Sums in Arrears”  or " Notice of Arrears "– at least once a year ? Yes   Why did you cease payments? Loss of employment main cause   What was the date of your last payment? Early 2021   Was there a dispute with the original creditor that remains unresolved? No   Did you communicate any financial problems to the original creditor and make any attempt to enter into a debt management plan? No   -----------------------------------
    • Hello CAG Team, I'm adding the contents of the claim to this thread, but wanted to open the thread with an urgent question: Do I have to supply a WS for a claim with a court date that states " at the hearing the court will consider allocation and, time permitting, give an early neutral evaluation of the case" ? letter is an N24 General Form of Judgement or Order, if so, then I've messed up again. Court date 25 May 2024 The letter from court does not state (like the other claims I have) that I must provide WS within 28 days.. BUT I have recently received a WS from Link for it! making me think I do need to!??
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Hi

 

I was wondering of you could all help me make my mind up about this.

 

Same old story..............

 

Had statements back, worked out £1563 owing. Letter sent, then 2nd letter. Cheque received for half - £781.50. Returned cheque stating no deal and cheque returned back stating their position was unchanged and feel free to contact their legal department.

 

So my quandry is whether or not to go through with it.

 

Do I need the £781.50 now? Well, it would be nice, but not dire.

 

Full claim with interest is £2002 ish - that would be nicer.

 

YB seem to be the worst bank to deal with - the most aggressive (or should that be arrogant!), bullish, and intimidating.

 

If I take action, from reading previous threads, it will take me 6 months.

 

I have a parachute account open and ready.

 

If I start proceedings and they start playing silly idiots like withdrawing my overdraft without notice, I shall be annoyed.

 

If they close my account without notice, I shall be fuming.

 

If I accept the cheque and go away quietly, I am £1k plus down

 

If I accept the cheque and they still close my account and withdraw my overdraft - I shall be committing myself to the asylum.

 

I read the threads on MSE which give me dutch courage and go through long periods of "lets do it!" "hmmmmmm - 2K! what a nice holiday!"

 

Then I read the more detailed thread on here and I think "you are insane - take the cheque and run - it's £781.50 I thought I had lost forever"

 

I know I should have destroyed the damn cheque - then it would be job done.

 

Please supply dutch courage and tell me its worth it and don't let them win - or tell me I'm ahead and quit now before it gets nasty!

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I have posted below about not knowing what to do. Apart from my current account with them, I also have a Visa card on which I owe about £8k.

 

Can they call the Visa card in if I continue to annoy them by reclaiming my charges on my current account?

 

That is obviously going to factor quite highly in my ultimate decision.

 

Thanks

 

Flower

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No they cannot recall the VISA card in because you are reclaiming your money taken by them for unlawful charges. Welcome to the CAG family, and Good Luck

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Thanks - when I say call in, I mean close the visa and request payment in full.

 

I really want to be crystal clear on this before making my decision - claiming £2k in bank charges is one thing - having them demand 9K on my visa is another!

 

Really appreciate your help and advice.

 

Flower

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Send the Cheque back and go for it. After all you have already started and are a good part of the way there already.You will win in the end,the last thing they want is to step into a court room.Start your MCOL then sit back and wait for an improved offer.and dont forget we are all here to help you.;)

 

 

 

 

 

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Rip it up and send it back....imagine how good you will feel when a cheque for the FULL AMOUNT drops on your doormat!!!!!!!

 

Started 25th Sep 2006 - got cheque on 4th December 2006. Settled without interest but full amount plus court costs :)

A & L Watch out buddy you are next 2007!!!!

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  • 3 years later...

Hi

 

I have today received all the information from the SAR request on my Yorkshire Bank card. My CCA application was enclosed with the bundle of stuff.

 

The CCA has been faxed through to them from microform.

 

The CCA is one of the three fold applications.

 

No prescribed terms on signature page. Am on laptop at the mo so am unable to scan it in.

 

At the delcaration section it states:

 

... bound by Yorkshire Bank Visa card conditions of use (as set out overleaf and in accordance with Condition 10) with which I confirm I had had an adequate opportunity of becoming acquainted before signing this application.

 

They have no provided the overleaf section - as it is one of those tri fold leaflets.

 

So my questions are:

 

Does it still stand that prescribed terms must be within the 4 corners and therefore on the signature page?

 

Is "overleaf" unacceptable?

 

What about the part about having had adequate opportunity of becoming acquainted with terms?

 

The form is identical to the one posted here at #6

 

http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collection-industry/108282-mtb-yorkshire-visa.html

 

Any thoughts please

 

Flower

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If they haven't provided the complete agreement, including the terms and conditions (the overleaf bit) then how do you know what it actually states on there?

 

the short answer is no, it is not enough, they need to provide you with a copy of the entire agreement so that you may establish whether it is enforceable

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Going through the statements, they have not completely complied with my request either. Account was opened in 1996 but only have statements from 2005?

 

Does this have any implications?

 

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Without it sounding silly - do application forms not constitute agreements though - although it says application form it does also say credit agreement?

 

I thought i had read that application forms can be viewed as agreements.

 

What about referring to terms overleaf?

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Subbing to your thread flowers.

 

I have the same thing, posted here in my thread: http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/debt-collection-industry/254316-dealing-marlins-2.html

 

All I got was the front page of the application form; no terms or anything.

Marlins haven't even entered into a dialogue about whether it is correct or not, they just bumped me to Mortimer Clark, so I guess I'll be asking for help on what to do at court next.

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Hi

 

Default Notice received whilst I have been away...... need help checking dates please.

 

Date of Default Notice - 18 October 2010

Date for remedy: 04 Novemnber 2010

 

Only arrears being sought - not full outstanding amount.

 

Envelope is blank and not franked.

 

Date of DN: 18.10.10 (Monday)

 

Date of Service: 20.10.10 (Wednesday)

 

Remedy date: 04.11.10 (Thursday)

 

I get this to only 13 days????

 

All advice appreciated!

 

Thanks in advance.

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Am in a panic now - clear days includes weekends???

 

So DN dated 18.10.10

 

if we take it as second class - date of service is 22.10.10 and 14 days after that is 5th November??

 

Don't suppose the fact that I was out of the country between 18th and the 26th would help would it??

 

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  • 4 months later...

Just going back through my records.

 

I obtained my CCA through a SAR request. I also did a CCA request which was never replied to.

 

On 01.09.10 I wrote to the YB advising them that the account was in dispute due to their failure to reply to my CCA

 

In November 2010 I advised Jeremy Sutcliffe Solicitors that the account was in dispute and enclosed my letter from September 09 to the YB

 

I have received correspondence from the YB advising that there are delays in dealing with my complaint.

 

Now Sutcliffes have issued proceedings.

 

At the moment I am planning on responding to the claim form stating that I intend on defending the claim.

 

As YB have failed to reply to my CCA request, I am thinking of going for CPR disclosure to see what they come forward with - I see on other threads they have then tried to send a different agreement??

 

Any thoughts?

 

TIA

 

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Particulars of Claim:

 

The Claimant's claim is for the sum of £11,783.94 being the balance due in respect of a revolving credit card agreement number xxxxxx.

This agreement is regulated by the Consumer Credit Act 1974

The Defendant has failed to maintain the repayments required under the agreement.

The agreement has been terminated by notice of default.

The Claimants also claim interest subject to S69 CCA 1984 at the rate of .000 per cent per annum from 14.02.11 until judgment, at the daily rate of 0.00

Particulars:

1. Outstanding balance £11783.94

2. Interest .00

3. Costs

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CPR31.14 is a good start.....and it should be tailored to the particulars of the claim so you should request, agreement, default notice, termination notice and statements for the duration of the account - have a read here - http://www.consumeractiongroup.co.uk/forum/showthread.php?241827-Legal-Action-how-to-start-off.-IMPORTANT-IF-YOURE-BEING-SUED(1-Viewing)-nbsp

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It seems that you have had 'card protection' for a long time may I assume 15 years worth ? I wonder how much that would be if added together with compounded interest. I am wondering if you could possibly counter claim for the payment protection + charges.....

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Hi and many thanks for your reply.

 

Am having a read through CPR 31.14 and 31.15 thread and will adjust to suit.

 

Re the account number showing........ I was going to raise this as my next point. My claim form and all my statements (and the card itself) show a different account number?? How relevant is a different account number??

 

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Thank you - have amended and requested previous to be deleted.

 

Reading through CPR rules now re disclosure. Any thoughts on the discrepancies with account numbers??

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