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    Wink MarkyT vs Cahoot

    Letter turned up today with 45 pages of statements and my £10 cheque returned.
    The ball is now rolling. I'll keep you all posted of my progress.

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    Got all the charges worked out - £2085 which is about what I'd estimated in my head.

    Letter goes off to Cahoot this afternoon. I must say this is rather exciting.


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    Good on you. I hope things go a bit easier for you than they have me. I dont often say alot but read a lot of the threads. Sharmal


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    Default Re: MarkyT vs Cahoot

    I recieved an email today from Cahoot to say that my complaint has been brought to the attention of their service relation managers.

    Now, do I give them 14 days from when they sent the letter or 14 days from when I sent it.
    I'm still a little confused about this.


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    Default Re: MarkyT vs Cahoot

    14 days from when you sent it. Your timetable not theirs


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    Default Re: MarkyT vs Cahoot

    Ok, just recieved the standard go away email from cahoot:

    Dear xxxxxxx,


    We don't accept that cahoot's charges are unfair or unlawful under the Unfair Terms in Consumer Contracts Regulations 1999. The object of these Regulations was not price control nor were they intended to interfere with people's freedom to agree the terms of their contracts.


    It's well known that banks make charges and cahoot's charges are in line with those of other banks. The terms and conditionsicon of the account and the charges that apply are clear and fair and were provided to you at the time you opened it. You freely agreed to the terms and conditionsicon and the charges when you opened the account. You weren't under any obligation to do so and could have gone to another bank if you didn't agree to the charges. Equally, you're free to move your account to another bank at any time if you don't agree with the charges.

    In any event, we don't agree that the charges are disproportionate. The charges are reasonable and proportionate to the administrative costs incurred by cahoot.

    I'm therefore unable to refund the charges you've incurred fully appreciating the disappointment this may cause.



    Please be assured I have carried out a full investigation for you and I hope you feel I have offered a fair response to all of the issues you've raised. I will keep your file open for the next 8 weeks and if I don't hear from you within that time, I will assume that everything is resolved and will close your file. If you remain dissatisfied though you can find details of how to take your complaint further within Abbeyicon at legal T&Ts <http://www.cahoot.com/legal/legal.html> under the heading 'Complaints policy'. The complaints policy also explains your ultimate right to refer your complaint to the Financial Ombudsmanicon Service.



    This bit at the bottom in bold has me stumped a bit now. Do I continue with the letter before actionicon (which I have sitting printed next to me waiting to go now) or do I have to take this up with abbey?
    Would the court see this in a bad light if I don't?


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    Default Re: MarkyT vs Cahoot

    Hi Marky

    After sending Cahoot my prelimary latter, they wrote back saying their final response was issued and that I should contact Abbeys stage 2 complaints team now.

    I sent my lbaicon to them and got no reply, so filed the MCOL yesterday.

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    Default Re: MarkyT vs Cahoot

    thought that would be the way to go - lbaicon is in the post


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    Default Re: MarkyT vs Cahoot

    I take it with 45 pages of statements you are claiming charges from a current account?

    I'm claiming from a credit card, but I expect our claims to run concurrently.

    What area are you in? I'm in Bedfordshire.

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    Default Re: MarkyT vs Cahoot

    Yep, its a current account opened 6 yearsicon ago this very month. I'm in Tyne & Wear.
    What I do find rather amusing from the statements is how the cost of the charges seems to steadily rise from £20 for a returned DD to 35 at the moment. And now I noticed that in the last 2 months since I first sent them the SARicon letter, they are now allowing DDs to go through if I'm over my overdrafticon. Normally, if I went a penny over, they would bounce it and hit me with a charge. This happened xmas 2005 when they charged me £175 right at the beggining of december and left me with the most miserable christmas ever.


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    Default Re: MarkyT vs Cahoot

    I had the same with lloydstsbicon. What I do now is cancel the direct debiticon before it goes out, then set it back up when I can afford it. Internet banking makes it so easy now to do.

    They settled my claim just before an allocation hearing in November. If I get a letter now telling me of charges, I write to them stating I will start another litigation and their earliest attention to this matter will save them my costs etc. To date, their response has been "we will waive the charge". No doubt their attitude will soon change.

    When I started my Halifaxicon credit card claim, they settled the full amount after the lbaicon letter. I didn't have to start MCOL and there were no conditions imposed either.

    Not expecting an easy ride with Cahoot though. Am well aware this will hang around for a long while yet, and that it will drag out until the last possible moment.

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    Default Re: MarkyT vs Cahoot

    Forgot to say, just make sure that when you submit your MCOL all the charges are still within the six year period.

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    Default Re: MarkyT vs Cahoot

    The first charge they applied was in March 2001 so it looks as if it'll be ok.
    I've been looking under the court bundle this morning and don't understand this one bit. How much of this stuff am I exected to learn and understand and how does it get used?


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    Default Re: MarkyT vs Cahoot

    Well well well, received a letter from Abbeyicon yesterday. I thought a little odd as I bank with Cahoot.

    "Dear Mr MarkyT

    thank you for contacting us and I am sorry that you have been so unhappy that you have felt you must complain.

    One of my team will be responsible for investigating you complaint and I have enclosed out Complaints leaflet, which explains our procedure for doing this. High quality customer service is of great importance to us at Abbey and we will do everything we can to resolve your complaint in a timeley and satifactory manner.

    I know it is important to you that we resolve you complaint quickly, but we want to complete a thorough investigation and sometimes this can take time. If we have not contacted you before then, we will write to you in four weeks to let you know what is happening.

    If you have employed someone to handle you complaint on your behalf, please note:
    employing a third party complaint-handling firm, or a solicitor, or financial advisor does not affect how we review your complaint. Please be aware that:
    Abbey does not charge you to investigate your complaint
    Abbey will not be liable for any costs incurred if you do decide to employ a third party to handle your complaint during this review
    Abbey, in general, will only make payment directly to account holder(s) if your complaint is upheld and redress is due.

    Although I do not know what the outcome will be, I do hope that we will be able to find a solution that you are happy with.

    Yours sincerely

    Andrew Nelson
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    Default Re: MarkyT vs Cahoot

    I got a letter from Abbeyicon on the 31st January saying my complaint is taking longer than first thought to investigate.

    Then, on the 1st February (the next day) I had a letter saying after investigating the complaint in full they cannot refund my charges.

    Are you set to start the claim Monday / Tuesday?

    The right hand not knowing what the left hands doing springs to mind.

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    Default Re: MarkyT vs Cahoot

    Not really ready to make the claim on Monday due to things happening at home over the last couple of weeks.

    Haven't had a chance to prepare anything yet. Probably will be what I spend all weekend on now.


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    Default Re: MarkyT vs Cahoot

    OK folks need help on this. I'm finally able to enter the MCOL today and am confused with something.
    The total of my charges is £2085. I have indicated on MCOL that I wish to claim interesticon totally £429.24. Do I add this to my claim ie the box in which you add the numbers or do I just enter the £2085 while detailing the interest in the text box in which I detail my claim?
    Please help cos I need to get this in asap.

    EDIT: Meant to ask as well, I've entered the defendants name as Cahoot and on the second line c/o Abbeyicon National plc. Is this correct?


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    Default Re: MarkyT vs Cahoot

    On my claim form I wrote the defendants name and address as:

    Cahoot
    Friars House
    P.O. Box 1981
    Coventry
    CV1 2ZD

    Amount claimed is the amount plus interesticon. Then the court fee is added (depending on amount of your claim) . This makes the total amount.

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    Default Re: MarkyT vs Cahoot

    Brilliant. Thanks 121.


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    Default Re: MarkyT vs Cahoot

    Claim now in. Reference number 7QZ23915



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