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Good morning,

 

In need of advice/direction

 

My road has now been converted into residents parking zone Monday - Sunday 8am - 6.30pm----very excessive, but its done so ho home.

 

I have a permit for my road.

 

On the day of the offence yes my vehicle was parked at 9.03am, because i had just returned from dropping my 2 boys to school and had to pick up some pots to drop off to my mother who lives in Grays/Essex...about 20 minutes drive on the A13 from my house.

went to my mums but didn't stay long.

 

 

On the way back home my daughter complained of tummy ache

(infact she mentioned it earlier in the morning, but I ignored her she has said it before).

 

I was only about 5 minutes (10.15am) from my home after leaving my mums, and I could smell n awful stench my daughter poo's herself.

 

 

I drove into my road from the main road and the space I parked in earlier the only closest space i could see,

 

 

i parked there as I was panicking to get my daughter out of the car to get her soiled self inside to bath to clean her up.

Once all done, I came downstairs to take her car seat out to wash it, and noticed I had a ticket.

 

I have attached a copy of the ticket received and the sign,

Id be really grateful if i could get some help to articulate a letter to newham council

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had to remove the ticket

it shows pers info

 

 

please redo as a PDF so we can zoom

use the upload

please don't hit Quote...just type we know what we said earlier..

DCA's view debtors as suckers, marks and mugs

NO DCA has ANY legal powers whatsoever on ANY debt no matter what it's Type

and they

are NOT and can NEVER  be BAILIFFS. even if a debt has been to court..

If everyone stopped blindly paying DCA's Tomorrow, their industry would collapse overnight... 

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Was the issue:

a) you parked outside of the residents' bay

b) that you returned within an hour (9.03 to 10.15 is more than an hour, though)

c) did you get back to your car within the 20 mins parking allowed, or

d) something else ....

 

Contravention code 30 would suggest c) might be the issue : how long was your car parked for?

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@Jamberson - yes the road i parked on was my road! the location i parked in was in a bay which allows 20 mins, but at the time of parking The time was not on my mind as i had the get my child out of the car.

 

@BazzaS -

A: yes

B: yes

C: No i did not get back within mins..I was prob 30 mins or so. Now looking back, Im wondering if the agent assumed I had been parked there from 9.03am till the 10.32 and not moved my car at all:|

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@Jamberson - yes the road i parked on was my road! the location i parked in was in a bay which allows 20 mins, but at the time of parking The time was not on my mind as i had the get my child out of the car.

 

@BazzaS -

A: yes

B: yes

C: No i did not get back within mins..I was prob 30 mins or so. Now looking back, Im wondering if the agent assumed I had been parked there from 9.03am till the 10.32 and not moved my car at all:|

 

A: yes?? I asked if you had parked outside the bay, so did you mean "no, I wasn't outside the bay"?

B: again "yes", but do you mean "no, I didn't return within the hour, I returned just over an hour after leaving".

C: you may have been more than 20 minutes (from 10.15!), but (Now the PCN is visible again), that isn't the contravention you are being accused of. They are accusing you of being there from 09.04 until 10.32.

 

You inform them that the contravention as stated did not occur.

You inform them you left after 09.03, returning more than an hour later.

Suggest they confirm with the issuing officer that they continuously observed the vehicle, as you maintain they could not have done so, because the contravention as stated did not occur.

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@BazzaS -

A: I was parked inside of the bay

B: I returned just over an hour after leaving

C: Understood:

 

Noted your comments below and will follow through tomorrow with an appeal with much thanks

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They don't continuously observe vehicles like this. They (usually) photograph them and photograph the wheel and valve positions. If the car's there later on, another set of photos is taken when the PCN is issued. If they match, the car's not been moved. If they don't, you should win your appeal.

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