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    Default Child's DLA & DLA Migration to PIP

    I have two questions that I need help with please:-

    My child will be 5 later this year, he receives DLA for personal care.
    I have recently received Form DLA434 Child February 2017 addressed to a woman I have never heard of at my address and states my child's personal details!


    The reason the DWP have sent the above application out is because my son will be 5 later this year and may be entitled to Mobility.


    I am going to purchase a child's wheelchair for him soon mainly due to the fact that he is extremely hyperactive and as he becomes older, I cannot restrain him easily.


    Going out with him is a nightmare and him being restrained in a wheelchair would benefit his safety and give me some peace of mind.


    he does not have problems with walking, in fact, he runs off and becomes a danger to himself, but he has no sense of road danger (or any danger) and trying to keep him in reins at his age is impossible.


    if I apply for Mobility for my child, do I have to complete the personal care section of this form, and given the small example of what I am having to deal with, would he in your opinion be entitled to Mobility or not? I do have to medicate him at night to sleep otherwise he would be up 24/7.

    Second question,
    I am also my mother's carer and her DWP Appointee.
    She was awarded Indefinite DLA, high care and mobility.


    I have now received a lettericon (this time addressed to me) saying that I need to contact DWP if I wish to make a claim for PIP on my mother's behalf.


    I'm a bit confused with PIP,
    is it about the person's medical conditions of which she has numerous both physical and mental
    or is it about the care needs of my mother?


    I also noticed that the descriptor for mobility has changed relating to psychological problems,
    although my mother suffer numerous falls resulting in broken bones.
    Again, can someone bring me up to speed on the criteria of PIP.


    BTW,
    I have loads of medical evidence relating to her illnesses from her consultants.


    Oh and if they want to do a F2F am I able to record it.


    I know she would not be well enough to attend the nearest medical center which is a 40 mile round trip.

    Help please !!!!!!!!


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    Default Re: Child's DLA & DLA Migration to PIP

    Bumped Up - Can anyone advise on my post please?


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    Default Re: Child's DLA & DLA Migration to PIP

    Don't know anything about child DLA sorry , but with regards to your Mothers PIP application you will need to contact them and as you are an appointee there should be no requirement for a face to face interview it should be considered as a paper based review.

    https://www.gov.uk/government/upload...ment-guide.PDF
    2.15.17. Where a claimant has an appointee, this will be flagged in the initial
    referral to the AP. Where an appointee has been nominated to
    represent the claimant, the claimant must not be instructed to attend
    a face to face by the AP. This is because they have been deemed
    incapable of engaging directly with DWP or its contracted APs.
    Instead, and only if a face to face consultation is deemed necessary,
    the AP must send the invite to the appointee – indeed the invite
    should only go to the appointee – who in turn will provide the details
    to the claimant. However, it should be noted that where the named
    appointee is a corporate appointee, he can nominate another person
    to represent him at any face to face consultation. That said, the HP
    should make every effort to obtain evidence in order to conduct a
    paper-based review in these circumstances.
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    Default Re: Child's DLA & DLA Migration to PIP

    Thank you so much Flumps for your advice and the link. Can you please clarify for me what is an AP and a HP. There is no corporate appointee, only me. Again, thanks.

    Sorry, just tried the link you provided Flumps and it does not work ;-(


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    As an appointee you are the representative for your mother,
    An AP is an assessment provider HP is the healthcare provider which for DWP is one and the same.
    A corporate appointee is usually a private firm or local authority that act on behalf of a claimant in a larger scale and you are an appointee which is an individual appointment for a claimant.
    https://www.gov.uk/government/public...ment-providers
    If that link doesn't work go to the gov.uk website and look for personal independence payment assessment guide for assessment providers. There is PDFicon download that you can access


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    Thank you so much Flumps, I feel much better now. The link you provided worked and I am so very grateful for you taking the time to explain everything to me.


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    Hello folks, so I have now made the phone callicon as my mum's DWP Appointee, gave them the info they requested on the phone and am now awaiting the arrival of the PIP2 Form. I was told that if I don't received it by 3rd week July to call them and chase it up. Now does the 4 week return period start from the date of the phone call or the date on the letter. If the letter is delayed, can I ask for an extension?
    Last thing, is it a requirement that I complete a 'Diary' relating to my mum's daily illnesses. I have hardly enough time as it is without writing a diary, but if it is necessary I will have to do so. I do have loads of medical evidence and understand that mum will not be called herself for a Face to Face, hopefully it will be paper based.

    Thanks everyone, any advice much appreciated.


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    It's 4 weeks from the date of the phone callicon. You can ask for an extension.

    A diary isn't required; but may help. However, when I did mine for my reconsideration, they ignored 99% of my evidence. (my diary backed up what my consultant said - but because I was seen on a good day, that was all that mattered, apparently)


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    Hi, so the PIP pack has at last arrived. Can anyone please advise as follows:-

    Do you have to score 12 points on every section of the daily living in order to be awarded the Enhanced Rate.
    Same question relating to Mobility do you have to score 12 points on each of the two sections to be awarded High Rate Mobility? or is it 12 points combined.

    If anyone could explain please.

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    It is 12 points altogether for care and 12 altogether for mobility.


    When completing the care section, remember that pretty much anything can be an aid if your mother uses it to compensate for a disability, even if it's something a lot of people have anyway. For example, taps with levers are an aid if you couldn't turn an ordinary tap, even though lots of people have them.

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    Hi, so the PIP pack has at last arrived. Can anyone please advise as follows:-

    Do you have to score 12 points on every section of the daily living in order to be awarded the Enhanced Rate.
    Same question relating to Mobility do you have to score 12 points on each of the two sections to be awarded High Rate Mobility? or is it 12 points combined.

    If anyone could explain please.

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    You have to score a total of 8 points to get standard care (or mobility) and 12 to get enhanced. So, if you score 4 points on question 2 and 4 on question 3, that would get you standard care.

    It's the same with mobility. I get enhanced rate because I scored 12 on the part about planning a journey. But, you can also get enhanced if you scored 8 on one section and 4 on the other mobility section, for example. As long as you get a total of at least 8 on both mobility sections, you get lower mobility and enhanced if you get 12 points.


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    Hello again, so I am now onto Q14 Mobility of the PIP application. On Q14c it says 'do you use a wheelchair or similar device to move around safely etc'
    My question is:- I'm sure I remember it being said that if you use a wheelchair, it stops you being awarded High Rate Mobility - is this correct?

    Also just another quick question, Q13, three of the descriptors have changed, and it precludes people with psychological distress, so it looks like anyone with a mental health illness can never be awarded the 12 points. My mother has both physical and psychological disabilities. I have included both in the Q13d as the PIP booklet states 'it doesn't look at your physical ability to get around which is covered in the next section'. My mother's mobility disabilites are combined with both physical and psychological problems and I had to explain how they both interacted with her mobility. Tried asking the PIP helpline, and they did not know the answer.

    Help please.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joeblogs View Post
    Hello again, so I am now onto Q14 Mobility of the PIP application. On Q14c it says 'do you use a wheelchair or similar device to move around safely etc'
    My question is:- I'm sure I remember it being said that if you use a wheelchair, it stops you being awarded High Rate Mobility - is this correct?No, if someone uses a wheelchair because they cannot walk (repeatedly and reliably) 50m, then they get the enhanced rate. You may be thinking of the rules for ESA where having to use a wheelchair means diddly squat.

    Also just another quick question, Q13, three of the descriptors have changed, and it precludes people with psychological distress, so it looks like anyone with a mental health illness can never be awarded the 12 points. My mother has both physical and psychological disabilities. I have included both in the Q13d as the PIP booklet states 'it doesn't look at your physical ability to get around which is covered in the next section'. My mother's mobility disabilites are combined with both physical and psychological problems and I had to explain how they both interacted with her mobility. Tried asking the PIP helpline, and they did not know the answer.

    Help please.
    DWP recently lost at the Upper tribunal as to whether all descriptors for q13 apply to mental health in general or only things like dementia or a learning disability. The tribunal thought that the reason someone can't do something is irrelevant so any descriptor could apply, but DWP didn't like that so they got the rules changed by parliament. The overall effect now is, for example, that someone with agoraphobia but who can sometimes leave the house, now gets nothing unless they have a physical restriction as well.

    That said, I wouldn't worry too much about including something if it may not apply, better than not including something which you should have. I'm all in favour of if it's worth telling them, it's worth telling them as often as possible even if it's in the wrong bit of the form. Bottom line is that the assessor has to consider all the sections even if you filled in none of them, though whether they would is a different matter.

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    A very big thank you to everyone who has given me much valuable advice. I have just finished the application and will photocopy it on Monday and get it off with proof of postage. My children have broke up for the summer holidaysicon today and I'm so glad this is now done with. I've managed to get loads of supporting medical evidence and hope that they make a paper based decision as I am the DWP Appointee so it would be me having to attend a Face to Face, so I've asked for a paper based decision due to all the supporting documents and if they don't agree, then I want a recorded interview with plenty of notice so I can organise someone to look after mum and the kids.

    I heard that sometimes they Capita call the day after receiving the application to arrange a Face to Face, I don't know how they can do this when they have not had the opportunity to read the application. Anyone heard of this before? and what shall I tell them if they call me?

    Big thanks everyone


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    Be prepared for no one to have read anything you submitted before sending an appointment. I can't speak for Capita as it's ATOS in this area, but they have admitted that everyone is sent the first available appointment in their general area and they rely on claimants calling them to complain if it's at all unsuitable, in my case that was over 40 miles away at 9 am on a Monday morning in a building with no wheelchair access and no parking nearby. I even included a letter from their own doctor who did my ESA assessment saying I had to be assessed at home.

    As your case should be flagged as having an appointee and as I get the feeling Capita are more reasonable, you should be ok, but if you're sent an appointment just ring and explain and someone should have another look at it.

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    Thank you for responding RMW. I have called the PIP so called helpline a few times to try to clarify certain questions, especially Q13, but they said the 'don't know'. I also asked if I could type up the responses and stick them in the information boxes - this was a big no no, everything has to be handwritten they told me as it goes through a scanning device. I would have thought that it would have been easier for them to read the typed info instead of my handwriting. I also cannot understand why PIP2 is not yet available on a PDFicon format which would make carer's lives so much easier if they choose to type these very lengthy applications. I did type the section where it states that as I am the DWP Appointee, every effort should be made to come to a paper based decision, and I stuck it down at the back of the application where it mentions about Face to Face interviews.

    Anyway, once again, many thanks for all the input, I will update the forum as and when I hear anything.


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    Quote Originally Posted by joeblogs View Post
    Thank you for responding RMW. I have called the PIP so called helpline a few times to try to clarify certain questions, especially Q13, but they said the 'don't know'. I also asked if I could type up the responses and stick them in the information boxes - this was a big no no, everything has to be handwritten they told me as it goes through a scanning device.This is an outright lie - many disabled couldn't write, me included, and they know it. I would have thought that it would have been easier for them to read the typed info instead of my handwriting. I also cannot understand why PIP2 is not yet available on a PDFicon format Again, DWP promised 2 years ago that electronic forms would be available soonwhich would make carer's lives so much easier if they choose to type these very lengthy applications. I did type the section where it states that as I am the DWP Appointee, every effort should be made to come to a paper based decision, and I stuck it down at the back of the application where it mentions about Face to Face interviews.

    Anyway, once again, many thanks for all the input, I will update the forum as and when I hear anything.
    Best of luck

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