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it least it was consistent.

 

lol

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It least it was consistent.

 

I'll leave you to your non-conspiratorial ''lone bomber'' conspiracy theory.

 

Rather than go even further wrong and single minded ... why not look for the inconsistencies and seeming 'facts' (for now) in the reports,

 

Like the fact that Uk, French and German spooks (US also, but maybe only from Eurospooks - unclear) appeared to be well aware of this person although reports currently say they did not have him flagged as significant

 

His school in the UK and parents in Libya both say he showed no signs of radicalisation - in fact quite the opposite, Yet there are also reports that family members in the UK flagged him up to the security services.

His family in Libya have evidently been 'arrested' by 'militia' (probably western supported militia)

 

The mechanism of the bomb is either more sophisticated than usual, or more desperate than usual, depending on whether the electronics found are an electronic cigarette or alternative firing options. and why a larger battery was used (adding to size and weight)

- not kidding there.

 

His father evidently fought in the Libyan uprising/rebellion but for who and what is unclear as it is with many who were involved. Patriot or terrorist or something else is unclear.

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Took the mrs out lunch today, local beer garden. It was heaving , people shouting orders at the bar people shouting laughing, basically having a good time. At 11 O'clock a bell sounds, and the place just fell silent. I mean you could hear a pin drop.

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Watching the news, i could not help laughing when HM The Queen asks people in Hospital after the attack, whether they enjoyed the concert.

 

I am sure those The Queen spoke to had spirits lifted by the visit and even a little smile after that question.

 

Must have received mixed thoughts.

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I remembered something I'd seen or read years ago and searched - and found this

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2012/11/121120100421.htm

 

*the explosive is apparently the one commonly used by terrorists since the late 80's (per the reports that its the same one used in Paris etc).

'Usual' detectors don't detect it.

 

ah - think it was the early prototypes of this (based on butterflies)

http://eu.wiley.com/WileyCDA/PressRelease/pressReleaseId-103598.html

 

Not sure if this sort of thing would work on the particular explosive, as dogs apparently have problems with that particular explosive :-(

 

(Using the best sniffers - bears - would perhaps be a little awkward)

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Rather than go even further wrong and single minded ... why not look for the inconsistencies and seeming 'facts' (for now) in the reports........The mechanism of the bomb is either more sophisticated than usual....

 

Here's an inconsistancy for ya - ''it was 1 man with a makeshift bomb''.

 

Now where did I read that?

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As far as I am aware the explosion is still one suicide bomber, with a makeshift bomb.

 

You are presenting PART of speculation reported by me (and ignoring that what they are looking at could well be an electronic fag - as stated - meaning its a crappy effort as bombs go with him using a motorcycle battery)

 

The mechanism of the bomb is either more sophisticated than usual, or more desperate than usual, depending on whether the electronics found are an electronic cigarette or alternative firing options. and why a larger battery was used (adding to size and weight)

 

quoted

 

and given the tensions over leaking US gobs, apparently Rex Tillerson is meeting F.O. Johnson tomorrow in a sign of 'solidarity'.

 

That bound to go well isnt it not.

 

Tillarson: "Hey Johnso you Limeys better stop badmouthing your betters"

Borarse: Well fiddleho and slap that horse on its rear. Thats rich tea biscuits from colonial blabbermouth jabberwockies. Dont you understand we are taking back our rightful place as rulers of the world once I get back in.

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I haven't seen a dedicated telephone number advertised which people can ring if they have concerns of suspicious persons. My suggestion would be after the news each evening.

 

I know the thoughts will be the Manchester killer was reported but not stopped, but if a system was set up with adequate manpower to act on people intelligence it's more information they may not have to act on.

 

There's many young people who are leaving university without a job who could be incorporated into taking such intelligence calls. There's other age generations and senior citizens who could do this.

 

Those in the armed forces not deployed in combat, need to be active to protect all over the UK. There is a lot of personnel who could be released to do this.

 

The age range of the suicide killers and not suicide killers, is poignant.

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Some of you knowledgeable ones will have to examine this report.

Sometimes I struggle with things.

Relevance etc.

 

Blowback?

Manchester bomber linked to terrorist group which UK allegedly backed.

 

Manchester suicide bomber Salman Abedi and his father, Ramadan, had long-standing links to a violent jihadist group which may have had British backing for the 2011 Libyan war and a 1996 attempt to kill then-Libyan leader Muammar Gaddafi.

https://www.rt.com/uk/389694-libya-abedi-lifg-cameron/

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Good Links.Until about 5 minutes ago I did not know about this way of calling the police if you cannot talk loudly.

 

How to call police when it’s not safe to talk out loud

Read more: http://metro.co.uk/2017/05/24/how-to-call-police-when-its-not-safe-to-talk-out-loud-6659634/#ixzz4i8efypqE

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As far as I am aware the explosion is still one suicide bomber, with a makeshift bomb.

 

You are presenting PART of speculation reported by me (and ignoring that what they are looking at could well be an electronic fag - as stated - meaning its a crappy effort as bombs go with him using a motorcycle battery)

 

 

Groan.

 

''Sophisticated weapon used in Manchester terror attack is ‘disturbing’, says security expert'' http://www.cnbc.com/2017/05/23/sophisticated-weapon-used-in-manchester-terror-attacks-is-disturbing-says-security-expert.html

 

''The Manchester bomb, which was packed in a £20 Karrimor backpack, is one of the most sophisticated set off in Britain since attacks by the IRA'' http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-4540408/Manchester-remote-controlled-professional.html

 

''Device used at Manchester Arena was 'disturbingly sophisticated', terror expert says'' http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/808190/Manchester-terror-bombing-explosion-attack-Device-sophisticated-security-expert

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I haven't seen a dedicated telephone number advertised which people can ring if they have concerns of suspicious persons. My suggestion would be after the news each evening.

 

I know the thoughts will be the Manchester killer was reported but not stopped, but if a system was set up with adequate manpower to act on people intelligence it's more information they may not have to act on.

 

There's many young people who are leaving university without a job who could be incorporated into taking such intelligence calls. There's other age generations and senior citizens who could do this.

 

Those in the armed forces not deployed in combat, need to be active to protect all over the UK. There is a lot of personnel who could be released to do this.

 

The age range of the suicide killers and not suicide killers, is poignant.

 

I think many people say thinks that aren't intended literally,

The reports I've seen about what was reported about this person hardly seem significant and were I intelligence I wouldn't be putting any priority on it as reported.

 

Yes we do need to be vigilant for real threats of all forms, but do we really want to be a 'you vill be reported' society where people are afraid to speak their minds?

I don't.

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''The Manchester bomb, which was packed in a £20 Karrimor backpack, is one of the most sophisticated set off in Britain since attacks by the IRA'

 

Groan

 

So its possibly the most sophisticated bomb since the 1970's,

and understand that terminology - as the 1970's IRA bombs were MORE sophisticated despite electronics not being so readily available then.

 

The US leaks say that the electronics found could VERY WELL be an electronic cigarette and nothing to do with the bomb - and that seems most likely to me. More might be reported and we may see.

 

You obviously dont realise that a certain attempted attack on an airplane using this stuff was with a match to set it off. Yes its that unstable.

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cjregg will like this, and undoubtedly jump to his chosen conclusion.

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/808937/Manchester-bombing-ISIS-Salman-Abedi-Moss-Side-IS-Islamic-State-terror-suicide-bomber

 

 

Now I think that Abedi was a patsy, not some key member of a terrorist network - but used by one

 

It beggars the question why the people in this Manchester ISIS recruitment network are continuing apparently despite members of the Libyan (real) Islamic community regularly reporting them to security services.

 

Now the security services (or more likely their political masters) undoubtedly have reasons for not 'addressing' these apparently well known radicals. I wonder what those reasons are and whether the public would find them reasonable?

 

Surely the security services must have enough solid evidence to prosecute these people, at least under the new terrorism laws and interception of private email/calls etc legislation - else why are our liberties being eroded?

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Loving your country enough to care for its old and poor, fund its institutions, unite its communities, feed, house and educate its children, restore and live in balance with its environment, plan with care for its future, build its alliances, and perhaps above all - tell it the truth

 

 

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Surely the security services must have enough solid evidence to prosecute these people, at least under the new terrorism laws and interception of private email/calls etc legislation - else why are our liberties being eroded?

Depends what you call evidence. On the one hand you want individual liberties eroded to an extreme level on nothing more than suspicion and on the other you object to extra security being put in place to reassure and protect the public. This latest attack has been a long time coming, testament in all probability to how well the security forces have been working.

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On the one hand you want individual liberties eroded to an extreme level on nothing more than suspicion and on the other you object to extra security being put in place to reassure and protect the public.

No I dont.

I want the eroded liberties justified. I think I've made it quite clear that I think some people hurt is a small price to pay for liberty and freedom, horrible as that is to the loved ones of those who do get harmed.

 

ie Why has interception of private conversations NOT resulted in this apparently widely known ISIS recruitment network in Manchester being shut down?

Surely that is why it was introduced? At least thats what the politicians claim.

If it cant get these 'out in the open' radicals then what worth is it to those whos liberties are eroded, and what use is it really being put too?

 

I take your point that we have few 'incidents' but if the reports are accurate (and we should question that) these radicals are promoting terrorism pretty much 'in plain sight'

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Simply put because intelligence isn't evidence, at least not as we accept the term. What we don't know is where on the list this particular attack featured and how many others have been stopped/abandoned. There has been much said, especially in the immediate aftermath by reporters who needed to fill the airwaves with the sound of their own voices. Most of it was utter rubbish, much of it inaccurate. The reality is that once in a while they will get through whatever we do and when they do we look to place blame.

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There has been much said, especially in the immediate aftermath by reporters who needed to fill the airwaves with the sound of their own voices. Most of it was utter rubbish, much of it inaccurate.

 

The reality is that once in a while they will get through whatever we do and when they do we look to place blame.

 

Yes,

even in a society with far more surveillance than ours (I think) there are crimes whether terrorism or otherwise and I think that the snoopers charter has added NOTHING positive to our society.

With evidence supplied as apparently in this case there would seem to be ample justification to get a court order to monitor those involved - all properly managed within our prior legal framework.

Perhaps if they had to do that, they would spend more time looking at what needs to be looked at rather than speculative or political snooping. They would also have to properly explain why the didn't follow up credible reports.

 

Simply put because intelligence isn't evidence, at least not as we accept the term.

 

Yes, ABSOLUTELY agree

but if the newer anti-terrorism laws and anti hate speech laws haven't enabled the prosecution these Manchester recruiters, and I am talking about the recruiters NOT abadi, and they are just prosecuting low-life trolls on twitter, then what real value or justiufication do they have?

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I see the guardian has identified the explosive used

 

and also despite the simple fact that the Guardian is one of the better reporters for NOT using blatantly misleading headlines (although it does of course used moderately biased terminology and perspectives) the headline is

Manchester bomb used same explosive as Paris and Brussels attacks, says US lawmaker

 

(A common one - hence some headline only reading folks 'conclusions')

 

and 'munges; the real meaning despite writing it 3 paragraps in

"He described it as “a classic explosive device used by terrorists”.

 

(Known as 'Mother of Satan' as it blows up those making it)

 

 

Also states

"McCaul said the evidence known about the attack so far indicated “we’re not dealing with a lone wolf situation”.

and that does mean its not a complete lone wolf nutter who just lost the plot like the London incident.

but NOT that its some great organised attack (although there is a very outside chance it may turn out to be something toward that position)

 

and regarding some real analysis of the bamb

"A former counter-terrorism specialist with extensive experience of bomb disposal and knowledge of the Middle East described the design as “unsophisticated”.

“Making a bomb is not rocket science. You can find instructions on Isis forums and on the internet,” he said."

 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/may/25/manchester-bomb-same-explosive-paris-brussels-attacks-mike-mccaul?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=227755&subid=19389892&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

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The Tory Legacy

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Reasonably reliable reports on French news that

Brothers knew about the attacks

Father was part of an Islamist group (err? most were) in the Libyan fighting

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Where I lived previously in Africa terrorism was part of life and we fought terrorism on a daily basis for over twenty years and we still did not win.

The views of some so called terrorism experts being interviewed on the news is laughable as they do not have a clue as they probably have no experienced it first hand with some coming up with some really idiotic suggestions.

People try and blame the police or the government, but no country in the world has the manpower or resources to watch suspects 24/7 365 days. You cannot arrest someone just because you suspect them to be a criminal otherwise half our population would be behind bars. More to the point, why aren't their local communities not reporting them?

Do we perhaps need to consider re-educating these people who are extremists when we catch them and then use them against their own people? We did this where I lived at the time which was not in the UK and it was quite successful. Many of these terrorists are brainwashed and think they are doing the right thing for their cause and in their minds they are not a terrorists, but freedom fighters. Is there a difference?

IMHO every time it is brought up on the news, it feeds the terrorists who probably rejoice every time the act of terror is mentioned which is why I think there should be some sort of self imposed censorship by the news networks especially Sky. Yes the public should be made aware of the incident or tragedy on the news, but the news should not harp on about it for days on end and neither should they give any credit or mention an organisation like ISIS. What is the point of attacks if the organisation is not mentioned as they have not achieved that goal?

As difficult as it is, if we carry on with security forces etc on our streets, the terrorist have achieved their goal, therefore we should get on with whatever we were doing prior to the attacked and show that we will not be cowed by acts of terrorism! Anyway the country cannot afford to have thousands of security or police tied up guarding popular spots or events.

 

I know some will disagree with the above and even though I lived with and fought terrorism I am no expert by any means as I was just a very small cog in the wheel in those years.

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I believe the figure of those actively involved in Islamic extremism at any one time at the moment is iro 3000. We have UK citizens in the millions and many of those who are in a position to undertake extra surveillance work. There needs to be a more serious attitude to root out those who want to harm us.

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